Nubia Barahona- another needless murder

Murder of Nubia Barahona

Nubia Docter Barahona (May 26, 2000 – February 11, 2011) was a ten-year-old girl who was abused and murdered on February 11, 2011. Her body was found February 14, 2011, wrapped in a plastic garbage bag in the bed of her adoptive father’s pickup truck on the side of I-95 in West Palm Beach, Florida. Her body had partially decomposed from being covered in chemicals, possibly pesticides. Her twin brother, Victor Docter Barahona, was in the cab of the truck with his father, suffering seizures from chemical burns and inhalation of toxic gas.

Her adoptive parents Jorge and Carmen Barahona were indicted on charges of first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse and child neglect on March 23, 2011. They face the death penalty if convicted

The case has sparked outrage from Florida citizens and officials regarding the Florida Department of Children and Families’ handling of previous allegations of abuse by the Barahonas.


Fraternal twins Nubia and Victor Docter were born on May 26, 2000, to a mother with drug and alcohol abuse issues. Their mother had bore four children before them, all of whom had been taken from her by the Department of Children and Families (DCF). Nubia was born with an undisclosed “significant medical problem” (it has been reported she may have been intersexed that would require “significant medication, medical procedures and an undetermined amount of surgeries”. It was recommended she be placed in a medical foster home, but she was instead allowed to stay with her mother, who claimed to be sober.

The twins were removed from their mother’s care in 2003 and placed with their father, but they did not stay with him long. In 2004 he was charged with sexual battery of a child not in his care. The twins were placed in foster care, and eventually ended up in the home of Jorge and Carmen Barahona in Miami, Florida. The couple had already adopted a boy with autism. Jorge owned a pest control business; Carmen worked as a nurse.

Further complaints were filed in 2007: School authorities reported that Nubia was extremely thin, always hungry, and had an unpleasant odor. DCF investigated the claims, but were met with insistence from the Barahonas that Nubia’s condition was not from hygiene problems or neglect, but caused by her medical condition. The investigation was dropped.

The Barahonas began the adoption process of the twins in 2008, but were met with resistance from the twins’ guardian ad litem, Paul Neumann. They claimed Neumann was operating “behind [their] backs”, unfairly interfering with their adoption attempt. They claimed they had a “personality conflict” with Neumann and cited that as the reason he was accusing them of neglect. To override him, the Barahonas wrote letters appealing to people as high up as then-governor Charlie Crist. Neumann was removed as the twins’ guardian without explanation shortly before the adoption was finalized.

The twins were formally adopted in May 2009. In 2010, complaints similar to the ones in 2007 were again raised by school authorities, this time adding that Nubia was losing her hair. DCF was met with the same reasoning from the Barahonas—that it was cause by her endocrine condition and medication she was taking for it—and the investigation was dropped again.

“Toxic Truck”

At 5:00 am on Monday, February 14, 2011, a Road Ranger noticed a red Toyota pickup truck on the shoulder of northbound I-95 between Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard and 45th Street in West Palm Beach. When the truck was still there two and a half hours later, he called police.

Palm Beach County Fire-Rescue responded to the call and found 53-year-old Jorge Barahona on the ground and 10-year-old Victor Barahona in the cab of the truck. Both were conscious by the time rescuers arrived, but Victor was convulsing with seizures. One fireman was overcome by a strong smell when approaching the truck, and decontamination procedures were started. The bed of the truck was full of plastic containers of chemicals; some unlabeled. The truck was branded with the name of Jorge’s pest extermination business, CJ Pest Control, causing investigators to believe the chemicals were pesticides. One unlabeled container held some form of acid, causing firefighters to wonder why an exterminator would have such a chemical. State Troopers were sent to the address of CJ Pest Control, but were unable to contact anyone.

Further investigation revealed that Victor was covered in acid, and there was so much of it in the car that it soaked the carpet and seats, making the air around the truck poisonous. Victor and Jorge were taken to separate hospitals for their injuries. A city hazmat team and the state Department of Environmental Protection arrived by the afternoon to decontaminate the area. At about 3:45 pm, a DEP contractor sorting through tubs of chemicals in the bed of the truck found a black garbage bag. Inside were human remains.

FBI investigators joined the effort to decontaminate the site to clear the way for county forensics investigators to examine the body. At about 8:30 pm Tuesday the body was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. The identity of the body was withheld from the public for two days after its discovery, then revealed to be that of Nubia Barahona, Victor’s twin sister. Her body was badly decomposed and difficult to identify, as it had been covered with acid and other hazardous chemicals.


Victor was initially taken to nearby St. Mary’s Medical Center, then transferred two days later to Jackson Memorial Hospital’s burn center in Miami. He had suffered “severe internal reactions” to the inhalation of toxic fumes in the truck, and had chemical burns over large portions of his body. Doctors also found several previous injuries to the boy, including a broken collarbone, broken arm, scars on his buttocks and lower abdomen, and rope marks on both wrists. Victor was finally released on March 2, 2011, and placed in a therapeutic foster home.

Jorge was arrested on child abuse charges against Victor and moved from Colombia Hospital to the Palm Beach County jail on February 16. While in custody, he confessed to police that he had been upset by the death of his daughter and had driven to Palm Beach County with the plan to commit suicide by setting himself on fire. He said the shoulder of I-95 was chosen so that he would be “easily found”. He claimed he gave Victor a handful of sleeping pills, then, with the boy’s head in his lap, poured gasoline over his own head. He then attempted to ignite a lighter, but could not do it, as he did not want to take Victor with him. Investigators found a red gasoline container in the truck filled with acid. When asked by police why he did not have as many obvious burns as Victor, Jorge said that some of the gas must have splashed the boy. The police concluded that Jorge’s version of events was inconsistent with the boy’s injuries.

Autopsy results concluded that Nubia was beaten to death on February 11; the day a DCF official came to investigate a call to their abuse hotline. According to the police report, Jorge allegedly “repeatedly punched and beat Nubia” who “screamed and cried until she was dead”.

Carmen Barahona, Jorge’s wife, told investigators when questioned that she and her husband had been separated for six months, when in fact they had never been apart. The couple’s other two children were taken from the home and placed with Carmen’s parents, then placed in foster care.

A “family secret”

On February 10, 2011, four days before Jorge Barahona’s truck was found on the side of the road, the therapist of Carmen Barahona’s granddaughter, Alessandra, placed a call to child welfare officials. Alessandra had alleged to her therapist that while visiting her grandmother’s house, twins Nubia and Victor were bound by their hands and feet and made to stand for hours in a bathtub. Their hands were unbound only when it was time to eat, she claimed, and she also alleged that she was not permitted to speak to them when she used the bathroom. The therapist told the operator that Alessandra felt threatened by her grandmother to keep quiet. Carmen allegedly told Alessandra not to tell people about how the twins were treated because it was a “family secret”.

The couple’s 11-year-old autistic son, Jorge, also tried to tell a DCF investigator visiting the home shortly before Nubia’s death about a “secret”, but the investigator claimed Carmen dismissed him as “low-functioning” and told him to watch TV in another room.

After the discovery of Nubia’s body, Alessandra was removed from the care of her mother, Jennifer Perez, and placed with her father, Yovani Perez. In addition, a judge ordered that neither the girl’s mother nor any member of her family have any contact with the girl. A DCF official stated that Alessandra should no longer be with her mother because “the mother, Jennifer Perez, not only psychologically abused the child by exposing her to the torture of the twins, but also by threatening the child over and over to keep quiet and encourage [sic] her to be complicit in the deception, that is including a calculated effort by the mother to keep the child from disclosing it to DCF officials.”

Role of DCF

The Florida Department of Children and Families has been heavily criticized for their handling of the Barahona case. Judge Cindy Lederman expressed outrage at the actions of Andrea Fleary, a DCF worker assigned to the case. On Thursday, February 10, Fleary visited the Barahona home to investigate an abuse hotline call, but despite not making contact with the children, she reported they were safe. When Fleary told the judge about 11-year-old Jorge’s attempts to alert her to abuse on Friday, she said the conversations had taken place late in the evening. Judge Lederman responded “So we don’t do investigations on weekends? Is that what you are telling me?” Fleary responded that she had stopped her investigation at 9 pm because “we don’t do investigations on weekends.”

DCF Secretary David Wilkins defended Fleary, claiming she was rattled during the hearing and that “[w]e do investigations 24/7. We have employees who work weekends. We have employees who work nights.”Fleary was first placed on paid administrative leave, then fired. When asked how they could have ignored signs of Nubia’s abuse, such as her hair loss and constant hunger, Wilkins stated that “[t]he medical conditions of the children complicated the decision-making of our investigators”.Wilkins also reminded critics that “these people have been deceiving the system for quite a long time”.

In response to the Docter twins being adopted despite objections from their guardian ad litem Paul Neumann, head of Miami-Dade County’s guardian ad litem program Sonia Ferrer said the program did everything it could at the time despite admitting Neumann had concerns. She said that the judge overseeing the adoption had heard other evidence and decided to place them with the Barahonas.

Wilkins called upon David Lawrence Jr., former publisher of The Miami Herald and current president of the Children’s Movement of Florida, Coral Gables attorney Bobby Martinez, a former U.S. Attorney in South Florida, and James Sewell, former assistant commissioner of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and chair of the task force that investigated the 2009 death of Broward County foster child Gabriel Myers, to look into the handling of the Barahona case. The panel subsequently called DCF’s handling of the case “inept” and a “failure of common sense and listening”.

Wilkins, who had only been DCF secretary for a few months at the time of Nubia’s death, has also criticized the organization’s abuse hotline, comparing it to a “low-cost call center”. Regarding a call reporting the Barahonas, Wilkins said “[t]hey have a low-cost call center mentality … You don’t want to get off the phone in this situation you could tell the operator wanted to get off the phone because he’s measured by how long his call is.” Employees are rated by how quickly they handle calls because in the past they had been criticized for taking too long to answer calls, causing callers to hang up. Wilkins also claims the technology is outdated, making it difficult to piece together different parts of a case from separate calls. He has said he plans to remedy these situations.

Charges and trial

After being informed he needed to attend a hearing on a felony child abuse charge, Jorge Barahona tried twice to injure himself. He first jumped backward off of a sink in his cell, landing on his head. He was examined and declared competent to stand before a judge, but refused to cooperate with deputies and did not show up for the hearing. At the hearing, his bail was set for $1 million. He later attempted again to injure himself and was taken to a hospital for a CT scan, then returned to jail and placed in the mental health unit.

Carmen Barahona filed for divorce from Jorge in late February, but was arrested and charged with first-degree murder on March 5. She is being held without bond.

Jorge and Carmen Barahona together have been indicted on eighteen charges: one count of first-degree murder, eight counts of child abuse resulting in great bodily harm, one count of child neglect resulting in great harm, six counts of child neglect (no great harm), one count of child neglect (no great bodily harm), and one count of mutilating a dead body. They face the death penalty if convicted.

The Barahonas have both pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder and child abuse charges. Trial dates have not yet been set.


More on Nubia

The Nubia Report

Slain girl was twin’s selfless protector

Now will someone please tell me what in HELL is going on with CPS.

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70 Responses to Nubia Barahona- another needless murder

  1. me says:

    oh my goodness this totally turned me sick inside, i have twins born oct 2000 and they are boy/girl..i cant imagine!! They all need to pay and get the death penalty..that poor girl, not much more than a baby, the twin who is scarred (in more ways than one) for his dear little life..and the idiots that help it happen..SOMEONE NEEDS TO PAY!!!

  2. Vicky says:

    If you can get past all of the pagesnof redacted information, there is a great deal of background information in the documents released in the case.
    For example:
    Nubia’s mother was not only an addict, but she was extremely abusive toward Nubia, according to witnesses, and had a very violent temperment. The twins were “drug affected” newborns. Sadly, following the bio father’s arrest, family members were either unwilling or unable to take custody of the children. That included their paternal grandmother, who if I read correctly, was the manager of the apartment complex where the children were living at the time. Her excuse…the apartment wasn’t big enough. I wonder if she feels any remorse over her decision. Additionally, there were allegations, prior to the adoption, that the foster father had “tickled” Nubia’s private parts. but DCFS determined the report to be unfounded, as Nubia indicated she had not been abused by the foster father. Additionally, it was asserted that bio father molested her as well. I’m sorry, but there is no way anyone could explain away a child stating that someone tickled their private parts. IMO, the child welfare system was so focused on placing Nubia with bilingual foster parents, who were also willing to take a child with medical issues, that they were more than willing to accept Nubia’s denial of abuse during a subsequent interview. This is just a snapshot. And as reported above, the horror story continued, until Nubia was finally murdered and her brother was critically injured. I hope those monsters, never mind, I won’t even say what I really feel should happen to them, besides never enjoying another day of freedom. But I also want to see the social worker criminally charged.

    YES Snoopy, yet again, the system failed.

    Click to access Protective%20Investigations%20Files.pdf

  3. snoopysleuth says:

    Vicky~~thanks so much. I know you work closely with the system. I am off to do some more heavy reading. Right now I am so disgusted that I hope I can focus on the print.

  4. Vicky says:

    Lots of articles a both the case can be link posted by Snoopy.
    Oversight is key if any changes in child welfare systems are to have an impact. As I reviewed the case worker reports in this case, I was definitely concerned over the lack of detail in the documentation, at least that which wasn’t redacted, the spelling/grammar errors, in official reports, and what I would consider to be forms filled out in a hurry, with incomplete assessments. As is, completed in a hurry, in order to move on to the next report.

  5. Vicky says:

    In our community, there is a Multi-disciplinary Child Protection Team. It is available for anyone in the community to make reports/referrals of suspected abuse, neglect, child in need of care, or when things just don’t seem right with a child, etc. The members are appointed by the court, and representatives from many community sectors are appointed to the team, including Child welfare, schools, mental health, religion, domestic violence, county attorney, court services, business members, community members, law enforcement…
    We receive many reports from teachers, neighbors, churches, etc., that make their way to us before enough information is available for a mandated report. All of the members are “volunteers” even those of us who are paid by our employers while meeting. So, there is no additional costs to the state for the time taken to review the information we gather, and the reports and recommendations generated. We are also able to monitor the cases referred to make certain that the agencies involved or who receive referrals from the team follow through in a “satisfactory” manner. All cases remain open until the full membership is satisfied that the best interest of the child has been served. Or until the family leaves our jurisdiction. It is not a perfect system, but the majority of those who utilize the team to intervene on behalf of a child are satisfied with the results.

  6. Amber from Maryland says:

    What happened is a complete disgrace to all concerned!!! Part of the problem, but not all of it, is that we don’t spend enough money staffing and running children’s protective services.

    Rating call center operators on the length of their phone calls is not a good idea.

    Hopefully, the guilty will be punished in this case, but that doesn’t help the child vicitms or any future child victims.

  7. snoopysleuth says:

    Vicky~~ I think that I did more clicking than reading but what I did get to peruse told me that the system failed Nadia badly. It seems the social workers believe in the old adage, “children should be seen and not heard.” They did not listen. They did not observe. Instead they told the foster parents of the allegations made by the school officials etc and the Barahona’s denied all of them. What in hell did the social worker expect, a confession? One thing that got my dander up was when Nadia said the foster parent, Jorge, tickled her privates. The social worker, a ‘he’ said that it was normal for girls Nadia’s age to masturbate and so case closed. I feel that I have just read ‘fiction’… where do these social workers get their training??

  8. snoopysleuth says:

    Me~~I agree that those two foster parents need to pay and I hope it is with their lives. Even the death penalty is almost too good for them.

  9. Vicky says:

    I couldn’t help but grin at your “where do these social workers get their training”. I am not certain that all individuals who are hired by agencies who contract for family preservation and child welfare services are licensed, or have degrees in social work. But for those who do require staff with degrees in social work, the majority working in the field are very young, and the turnover is very high. Due to burnout and fairly low pay. It doesn’t take long for these youn people to figure out that a masters degree is going to get the better pay and an office job. Their lack of maturity and life experience make them easy targets for exceptionally manipulative and deceptive caregivers. My experience has shown that very few mature adults are found out in the field. I would be willing to bet that in communities where there are more seasoned and dedicated field workers, the incidents of “missed opportunities” are far less.
    As for supervisors, the majority are really good at what they do, but there are a few who slip into every system who are as worthless as a clock without hands.I sincerely believe that agencies who have burned out, waiting for retirement, jaded, lazy, socially incopentent (you get my drift) program managers and supervisors are the ones that oversee cases with tragic outcomes. This is of course my opinion. But I have met a few in my time who had no business supervising child welfare cases. And heaven forbid, in many instances, such as the case was with Nubia, that a report comes in after 4:00 on Friday afternoon. Try getting that call answered before Monday morning.

  10. snoopysleuth says:

    Amber~~money needed to improve the system and help the children is spent on bombs to blow up children in other countries. There is not a week that passes when we do not hear of another abused child. Foster parents are supposed to be very caring as they know that they are getting children that have been neglected and abused. Carmen Barahona was a nurse for goodness sake. A nurse of what?

  11. Vicky says:

    About 10 years ago, I worked as an on call child in need of care intake staff member at a juvenile detention center. One Friday night, I was called to conduct an intake on a young girl who was taken into protective custody by LE for suspicion of sexual abuse by her stepfather. Once I finished the intake, I made a call to child welfare to have them arrange emergency placement in foster care. The social worker on call advised me that they could not do anything until Monday morning, and suggested that I have her stay at the JDC until then. Mind you, this was a 10 year old child, who was completely traumatized, and the very fact that she had been brought to the detention center led her to believe she had done something wrong (it took my about half an hour to convince her that she was not in trouble and that this was just the office pace used to complete the interview), and this lazy, I can’t work past 4:00 social worker wanted me to lock her up in a jail for the weekend!!!
    Needless to say, I ripped the witch a new rear end and hung up on her. The police officer and I made a few phone calls on our own and made arrangements for a local daycare provider to keep the child until the following Monday. When I picked her up the following Monday morning and took her to the SRS office, the person we met with indicated that they might not be able to reimburse the woman I left the child with because she was not an approved emergency foster care provider. Believe me, by the time I was finished with them, the woman was paid, and a few people had black marks on their personnel records. It was also the last time an CINC intake worker in our community was told a case would have to wait until Monday. it does help to have a strong working relationship with judges who care. 🙂

  12. Vicky says:

    Snoopy, we also spend lots of money to build prisons to hold the growing number of abused and neglected children who grow up and turn on society. On a positive note, prisons do employ a lot of people. Too bad we can’t seem to grasp the idea that money would be better spent to employ more people on the prevention side of the equation. Then we wouldn’t need so many new prisons.

  13. snoopysleuth says:

    It is sad that we were all so engrossed, and I am as guilty as the rest, in the bitch who was found not guilty of murdering her daughter, Nadia got very little attention. I am ashamed of myself.

  14. snoopysleuth says:

    The Barahonas’ next court hearing in Miami is schedule for February 24.

    Major revelations are revealed in newly-released documents in a child abuse case, widely considered among the worst in recent Florida history.

    Earlier this year, the body of 10-year-old Nubia Barahona was found stuffed in the back of her adoptive father’s pickup truck on Valentine’s Day in West Palm Beach. Her brother survived, but was badly burned with a toxic chemical.

    Now, three-and-a-half months later, details of what lead up to that fateful day are public for the first time.

    930 pages of evidence were released Wednesday afternoon. Lawyers for the Barahonas tried to seal the evidence before trial, saying it would taint the jury pool, but the state attorney’s office in West Palm Beach released the documents.

    According to some of the pages, Jorge Barahona told authorities that Nubia tried to poison him by putting baby oil in his soda. He also says he gave Nubia and her twin brother, Victor, allergy and sleeping medicine to sedate them in the days before Feb. 14th.

    According to interviews with firefighters and police who responded to the crime scene– they described it as “grim.”

    Young Nubia’s body would eventually be discovered stuffed in black plastic bag in the bed of her adoptive father’s truck. She was naked — in a fetal position– her sex not recognizable.

    One firefighter said her face looked like a mannequin. It wasn’t until he touched her face that the firefighter realized it was a human being

    22 bags of evidence were also taken from Jorge Barahona’s pickup truck that
    Carmen has stated that she and her husband were separated at the time of the Nubia’s death. In interviews with investigators she states how she was afraid OF him and that he had a terrible temper.

    Carmen and Jorge Barahona are both facing first degree murder, child abuse and child torture charges in this case. They have both pleaded not guilty

    A trial date has been set for July.

    Documents in PDF-Re Barachona case

  15. Amber from Maryland says:

    Vicky and Snoopy

    I am very impressed with Vicky’s work at the child center!!! I wish there were many more like her.

    Snoopy, I do think our priorities are wrong when we can bomb children in other countries and neglect children in ours. I realize that we don’t have enough mone to do both. I am not a big fan of war unless it is absolutely necessary and I wish we had never gone to Iraq among other things. I am also appalled by the lack of care we often give to our veterans after we send our young people to those god forsaken battle grounds to get maimed and killed. I think I remember of hearing of one case a few years back in which we didn’t want to pay one of our veterans for shrapnel wounds he suffered in one of our battle torn areas because he was on leave at the time he was wounded. Most workers in the United States take vacations and they don’t usually have to worry about shrapnel wounds while they are vacationing in this country. I doubt if the wounded soldier would have been in a place where he could get shrapnel wounds on leave if he weren’t stationed in a dangerous place serving his country. I am very upset about our priorities. I think our children and our veterans should be very high on the list of priorities for spending our tax money and if the veterans and children need more, we may just have to raise our taxes.

    I agree with Vicky. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

    Snoopy it is very unfortuante that you and VIcky and I can’t be the ones to decide our tax budgets.

  16. snoopysleuth says:

    Amber~~I am in Canada so can’t help you with those tax budgets. Vicky will have to fill in for me and do a double take…she is more familiar with the USA.

  17. Amber from Maryland says:


    Are Canada’s priorities as backwards as ours in the United States seem to be when we look at the cases of all of these abused and/or murdered children?

    Every country has it’s pitfalls and Canada is not spared~SS

  18. If you haven’t seen it, I recommend watching “An American Crime” (2007) starring Catherine Keener. IMDB describes it as:

    The true story of suburban housewife Gertrude Baniszewski, who kept a teenage girl locked in the basement of her Indiana home during the 1960s.

    I had the opportunity to see it a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, the system fails sometimes because of interpretations of law, where states bend over backwards to keep children with their families. That’s the bottom line, but in my opinion, rumors that run rampant, in this case and many others, should have been, nominally, heeded. DCF employees should always have the option to interview the children away from their guardians, parents or otherwise. As a matter of fact, once a report comes in, it should be mandatory. Period. So should teachers at the first signs of abuse.

    Sadly, this case failed from all directions. I’m sorry to say I hadn’t heard of it until now, and I strive to keep up with the news.

    Thanks for the report, Snoopy.

  19. snoopysleuth says:

    Hi Dave~~thanks for your comments. We were all so wrapped up in that other case, this horrendous murder and torture of Nadia and abuse of her twin brother did not get very much air time and it happened almost next door so to speak. From the documents that I have read, CPS was negligent in their duties and as a result, we have another beautiful little girl who went through hell by her bio parents as well as her foster parents. Nadia’s twin brother will be scarred for the rest of his life. I read that Carmen and Jorge Barachona are worried they will not get a fair trial. I know what they deserve but cannot write it here.

  20. Vicky says:

    Evening Snoopy. I have just finished reading the 900+ pages of reports and interviews, etc. I feel so sorry for Jorge’s sister and brother. They tried so hard to get someone, anyone to listen to their concerns regarding the welfare of Nubia. Granted, she was already deceased at that point, but the run-around she experienced was unbelievable!

    Carmen is some piece of work. It appears she will attempt to pull out the battered wife syndrome defense. I sincerely hope nobody will buy into that tactic. But, I can just see some pettifogger defense attorney going to town with the “my client was in fear for her life and that of her family because her husband was a drug crazed maniac” defense. Witnesses reported that both Jorge and Carmen has lost a significant amount of weight. I do wonder if they were tweakers. The initial reports of the chemicals found in the truck and the odor, led some on the scene to believe they were dealing with a meth lab.

    One thing is for certain. Nubia and her brother were severely and chronically abused, and nobody in a position to intervene worked hard enough to rescue them. When I read the Nubia’s brother is now with a family member in Texas, it makes me wonder how hard DCFS actually worked to find a family member at the time the twins were placed into the jaws of the Barahona’s. It is really sickening to have to say that both children would have been better off had they been left with one of the biological parents.

    When this comes to trial, I hope it gains national attention.

  21. Vicky says:

    Here is a really good link for articles, etc., surrounding the case.
    Just click on any item is the list.

  22. cali patti says:

    I have been very angry at my boys while raising them and have seen other parents feel true frustration at their children. Never have I ever encountered any over-worked, financially stressed, emotionally worn out parent or adult ever consider using a toxic chemical solution on a child or on anyone. I’ve never heard a threat “to use toxic chemicals” ever uttered by anyone.

    How horribly sick can a brain be to go there? How do these two people who apparently have similar thoughts find each other? They had to go to a place that sells the chemical, have the money on them, (I doubt the chemicals were cheap) select a chemical to kill the children, load the chemicals into their car, drive home, unload … and so on, knowing they were going to use the chemicals on a child. These are two people I sincerely hope other inmates take of!
    This crime is the sickest I ever want to read about.

  23. cali patti says:

    Oops, sorry, I did not realize that Victor had his own pestiside truck, or company truck.
    My statement thou inaccurate about purchasing chemicals, my thoughts still stand.
    I just don’t have the intelligence or capacity to understand how anyone could use pesticides on anyone.

  24. snoopysleuth says:

    Cali Patti~~these so-called parents are so strung out on drugs their brains are fried. I would call them animals but I would be insulting the animals.

  25. Vicky says:

    Oh my goodness! I just read an article that says victor’s uncle in Texas had tried to obtain custody of Nubia and Victor when their parent’s rights were severed. The paperwork out by the case worker stated they were unable to find family members willing or able to take the children. How and why during this process was this man denied.
    I also read that numerous calls had been made to the child abuse hotline, prior to the adoption, that the Barahonas were not fit to raise the twins, but those calls were never reported.the more I read about this case, the more upset and disgusted I become.
    Those sorry pieces of excrement who adopted those poor children have even tried to blame Nubia and Victor for their abuse. They claim the children were trying to kill them (not that I would blame the twins) so they were forced to tie them up, keep them in the tub, lock them in the bathroom, and call upon them to turn to Jesus. The Barahonas are as sick and twisted as any two people can be. Reading victors account of his sister’s last days of life are completely heartbreaking. That poor child listen to his sister’s murder. When he asked Carmen where Nubia was following the beating he heard, he was told she was in California with her grandmother.
    I pray that the life Victor now has in Texas will bring him peace, but I fear this child will he haunted for the rest of his life. God Bless the family members who finally rescued him.

  26. snoopysleuth says:

    Vicky~~did you read the Nubia Report? Talk about the CPS trying to cover their asses and sugar coat everything.

    I am reading the evidence after the murder. When LE called Carmen because she was the registered owner of the truck, she said she had not seen Jorge or the twins in several weeks because she was estranged from them.

    It looks like Jorge was going to set the truck on fire and burn Victor alive and destroy evidence in the back, the corpse of Nadia. He dropped the lighter and was overcome by the chemical fumes and passed out. LE found the lighter in the grass. Jorge was not going to commit suicide. Jorge was lying on the ground on the passenger side of the truck. This is just my take on things so far,

  27. Vicky says:

    Carmen created the we are separated story the day Nubia was murdered. She went into CYA mode and prepared to feed Jorje to the wolves. Based upon Victors account, Jorge is the one who murdered Nubia. But, Carmen allowed it to happen and set aboit covering it up. There is an article that discusses bits and pieces of what Victor disclosed to his temporary foster mom following his hospitalization. So sad.
    Just wait till you get to Jorge’s sister’s interview. Unbelievable!
    I believe there was something horrible going on in that house for a long time. By all accounts, Carmen changed after she married Jorge. However, even if she was afraid of Jorge, it does not change the fact that she participated in the torture of Nubia and Victor. It’s almost as if the only reason they adopted them was for the purpose of having a couple of children to abuse. Based on Victor’s recount, the abuse began way early on and was ongoing until this tragedy. I believe Jorge sexually abused both children, but that has not been established in the records disclosed, althoughnit has been alluded to.

  28. Vicky says:

    This isn a link regarding the aunt and uncle who tried to adopt the twins to begin with.

  29. snoopysleuth says:

    Vicky~~I am reading and it is so frustrating. I could rip Brian’s head off right now. Victor had a cut lip and needed stitches and Brian says, we can’t do it today…we will send someone within the next 24 hours….omg… If Jorge had been able to carry out his plan and set the truck on fire, Victor would have been dead too.

  30. Amber from Maryland says:

    Hi Vicky
    It seems now that ther placement with the Aunt and Uncle would have been infinitely better than the placement with the adoptive parents. However, given the total incompetence of the sytem in this case, do we even know for sure that the Aunt and Uncle would have been as good as they seem in retrospect? At this point, I find that I cannot trust the Florida Child Protective Services and Social Work at all. Can we trust the Texas equivalent??? Appearances are deceiving, if the Florida Department could say that the children had “bonded” with the foster / adoptive parents.

  31. Vicky says:

    Snoopy, every article/report I read, reveals more and more about a complete breakdown in a system that was supposed to save lives. It’s hard to figure out which direction to point fingers.
    Bottom line…the Barahonas are responsible for their actions. Even the Penellas 12 might be able to figure that out. However, there were SO MANY red flags! Nubia should not have died, and Victor should not have been seriously injured. It seems that the State of Florida is standing up. Perhaps Nubia’s legacy will be a model program for child welfare that all other states can follow.

  32. cali patti says:

    I read where you “folks” are looking at the CPS accounts and court papers, which is where this type of mess up will be prevented in the future. For me, I can’t get an understanding on how a human brain goes to a place where two people at the same time come to an agreement to douse children in pesticides. How does that thought and action take place between two people? I can not fathom one person doing this but two people I am struggling with some type of understanding.
    This will be one of those circumstances that I will never understand.

  33. Vicky says:

    Amber, the uncle and aunt in Texas have raised successful adult children, the uncle is a well respected professor, the aunt was a stay at home mom who helped with her husband’s real estate business and was planning to start her own business. They are financially stable. All of there references were glowing. They passed all background checks, etc. Bottom line, there couldn’t possibly have been a worse outcome for these children. The aunt and uncle stepped up immediately upon hearing about the situation with the twins. Were they not good people, they could have moved on with their future, having already raised their own children. They reached out to the State of Florida. Not the other way around. Reports that the Barahonas, as the foster parents, were neglecting and possible abusing the twins were swept under the rug.

    There is no way they were better suited to adopt the twins than the aunt and uncle. Not in this particular situation. The State of Florida failed Nubia and Victor. Plain and simple.

  34. Vicky says:

    Also Amber, the report that concluded that the children had bonded with the Barahonas was completed by a psychologist who was never given the information about the concerns expressed by the teachers, principal, and hotline abuse calls. She relied on interviews with Carmen and the twins ( who were most likely terrified to speak against their tormentors).
    Of course carmen would claim they had bonded. She was competing with the aunt and uncle for custody. IMO, the court psychologist did not look deep enough, and when the very reason the case had been referred to her for evaluation (all of the reports of abuse and neglect post adoption) were never mentioned in her report as unfounded, someone should have asked why not! Instead the adoption moved forward as though no issues had ever been presented. It wasn’t until a review of what went wrong, that it was learned she was never given that information to use during her evaluation.

  35. Amber from Maryland says:

    Hi Vicky

    I have trouble trusting anyone at this point but I can agree with you that the Aunt and Uncle would be better than the Barahonas. I also think that wild wolves might be better than the Barahonas in taking care of the twins. There is precedent in that a wolf did a good job of taking care of Romulus and Remus for a while and they eventually grew up and founded Rome. I think that what happened to the twins and to numerous other children was terrible, I can agree with the reasons you cited for believing that the Aunt and Uncle would be better. I can’t believe in anything that some social work department said because I can’t believe that they investigated any possibility thoroughly, I have no faith in the system. The system fails too often to protect the children. I do agree with you that the Barahonas are responsible for their actions. We are all responsible for our actions and inactions. I think it is not good that we seem to have developed a nation of victims who can take all kinds of irresponsible or evil actions and blame it on our childhood, our medications, our consumption of Twinkies, or whatever. I think Casety Anthony was also responsible for her actions. I am not sure that the Pinellas 12 would find anyone guilty in this case or Caylee’s case. You can’t convict anyone of anything if you do not think people are responsible for their actions or if you think they are the helpless victims of unproved trauma from childhood. I suspect that the Barahonas had trauma or unfortunate influences in their early lives and that Josh Powell may have also. I don’t think that excuses any of their behavior now. You and I and almost everyone else in the world probably suffered some trauma in childhood. You and I managed to avoid committing violent crimes despite the fact that we experienced trauma in our lives. You and I would probably both have found those murderers (Casey, Josh, and the Barahonas) guilty if we were on the jury at a trial. I don’t agree with you that the Pinellas 12 would necessarily have found this case any different than Caylee’s case. Any half way decent lawyer will probaby bring up every trauma the Barahonas ever suffered which could have contributed to the “lack of sensitivity” to the twins needs. Life isn’t fair,

  36. Vicky says:

    Good morning Amber, I completely agree with you. We seem to have turned into nation filled with individuals who refuse to accept responsibility for their own actions. My take on those who have been maltreated in life. Do yourself a favor and get over it. We can’t change the past. Granted many need assistance with moving forward following abuse, but the fact that abuse occurred does not completely obsolve anyone for revisiting it upon another. Just as the person who begins the cycle of violence deserves to be held accountable, so does the person who continues it.
    If one is abused as a child, regardless of what type, don’t abuse another child. if the urge to do so exists, get help, or stay away from the person who brings about the need to repeat the cycle. That is called choosing to take back control of one’s life. The background of an offender might very well explain their actions, but it does not excuse them from culpability.

    Cali Pati, It is impossible to explain the actions of someone so evil. I think it is a good thing that most of us can’t fathom doing something so despicable. The Docter twins (I refuse from this point forward to insult those poor babies with their demented torturer’s last name) deserved so much more in their short little lives. I keep wondering what level of scrutiny is given to potential foster parents. Surely a psychological evaluation would have revealed some level of concern. To me, home visits just don’t cut it.

    I don’t know why, but this particular case has really gotten to me. Perhaps it is because it is so indicative of the problems that exist in the child welfare systems across the country. It makes me sick that family preservation can result in a child being left in a dangerous situation, yet removing them has the potential for placing them at even greater risk. IMO, that should never happen! Greater care needs to be taken to ensure children remain safe once they have been removed from the custody of their parents. At the same time, when family preservation wins, then children who have been identified as at risk to the point where family preservation has entered the picture, their case should not be closed until they turn 18. When a child’s removal from the home is permanent, protective measures should also follow them until they are 18. IMO, one of the greatest weaknesses in the child welfare system is the fact that the “system” can’t wait to close a case, pat themselves on the back, and move on to the next abused or neglected child. All because ensuring the welfare of a child over time is too expensive. Rant Over.

  37. snoopysleuth says:

    Vicky~~Bravo!! I couldn’t have expressed things better. I got through those 900 pages but didn’t read every interview of the first responders to the scene when Jorge and Victor were found. I noticed good old Carmen loved using the F word and you could see how she was lying through her teeth with her long responses. I cannot believe that Jorge and Carmen were allowed to adopt 4 foster children. It was totally disgusting and the damn CPS did not do their jobs. I hope and pray that the social workers will be investigated….I would like to see some of them charged with child abuse.

  38. cali patti says:

    Morning, Vicky above mentioned as did a few others. I forgot about evil, how evil does exists amoung us. I have seen malice and evil in a persons eyes to where the eyes look souless. Yes it frightened me but more than that it left me curious as to how that happens. I’ve been told by my family so many times over the years that my curiosity of the how had me sounding like I was making excuses for the deed. That is not ever what I meant. I do not think how/why the thought occured was ever a defense or excuse.

  39. Vicky says:

    Cali Pati, I completely understood what you were saying throughout your comments. I too, am a how and why person. If we don’t search for those answers, we can never figure out possible solutions.
    I have spent many years of my life living around those who use the past to excuse present behavior. from what I have observed, allowing someone to use the past as an excuse to fail, harm others, etc, does nothing what so ever to help them move forward or keep them from making choices that will allow them to live happy, healthy and productive lives. The goal should always be to heal when harm has been done. To me understanding the how and why someone does something terrible, and accepting that as an explanation, allowing that person to learn from the negative consequences of their mistakes and then being there when the dust clears shows more compassion than simply feeling sorry for them and giving them a pass. Nobody likes to change, it is a lot of work, but once the reality of remaining the same becomes more painful than accepting change, change becomes a much more attractive solution. Sorry for the ramble, I hope I am making at least a bit of sense. 🙂

  40. cali patti says:

    Vicky, Thank you and yes, you are completely understood. I’ve learned traits about myself later in life that I needed to change in order to live the life I wanted and felt I deserved. I had to accept my way of doing certain “things” was not working, that often I was my own enemy and I was the cause of most of the disorder in my life. Accepting that made changing myself much easier. My original reasons for living as I was … were correct back then. What had changed were circumstances around me that no longer made my actions work. Now I hope I made sense to you. Funny … feel like a code speaker.
    I wonder why Im so fascinated as to how people became to do what they do and how their brains work so differently than the norm?

  41. snoopysleuth says:

    I wish there was some way I could copy the transcript of the call made to social srvs that Brian took. It is a typical example of how a caller can be treated when they place a call to CPS and the reception they get.

    Brian started out with the attitude… “well, here we go again”…”yawn” while he was watching the clock. You could tell he was following a script of questions. Can’t some of these people use CFS? By the way that stands for Common F***** Sense.

    I am referring to the call that Laura, Jorge’s sister made to CPS and how the call was handled. I am still hot under the collar over that particular call. Maybe some of these social workers should spend a few weeks in triog in hsp emerg and learn a few facts. Each call should be treated as an emergency in the beginning and then followed up by the questions to see if it should take priority and get a case worker on the scene pronto.

    The call reminded me of the first dispatcher’s attitude when the case worker called 911 to report Josh Powell.

    In the case of Nubia, CPS did not do a thorough follow up when the school authorities called. You do not question children in the presense of their abusers! They are intimidated and terrified to tell the truth. I think half the time the social workers are scared to question the abusers and want to get things over with and to hell out of their homes. Sry for my language today…. but it is how I feel after learning more about this case.

  42. Vicky says:

    Ditto Snoops! Reading the information released in this case pushed all of my buttons. I knew you’d be as outraged as I when you read that part of this tragic story. Police did nothing. Polcie said, call CPS, CPS, did nothing. the lesson I have learned from this. If you have a true emergency, call 911, whisper at a level you can’t be understood, then go silent. Call will be traced and police will be dispatched as soon as the address is located. Seriously, what in the he’ll more could Laura, the psychologist, the teachers, have done to make someone take them serious? If I answered a hotline, every wack job and false report would be worth the time investigating is one child could be saved. Brian acted like he was working at a credit card call center. No, that’s not even true. If you call about a credit card, you practically have to hang up on them to get off the phone.

  43. snoopysleuth says:

    Vicky~ ~I wish I could get a gigantic billboard put up by the side of the road handy to a CPS Office. I would have it read….”GO READ SNOOPY’S BLOG POST” and put in the url …. I am not interested in the hits to my blog. I want to pound some sense into CPS. Nubia should be alive today and with a loving family in Texas and be able to grow up with her twin Victor. When I come into this post and look at the pic of Nubia, I apologize to that child on behalf of the system.

    Now we will watch some cockeyed defense lawyers try and get Jorge and Carmen off. I believe there is some sort of hearing on Feb 24th. The defense will start with the motions trying to get evidence thrown out. I believe the trial is scheduled for July but I expect the defense will use every tactic in the book to delay, delay, delay.

  44. Vicky says:

    Snoopy, the only thing that maade me grin while reading those documents, was the report that Jorge climbed up on the sink in his cell, and dove headfirst onto the concrete floor. I would have paid good money to watch that. My guess is the defense attorneys will go for the mental illness defense for Jorge and the battered wife defense for Carmen. I say bull chit to both! They are just plain evil. They didn’t seem to find difficulties in caring for the other two children unfortunate enough to have been placed with them.
    I read the article below in the Miami Herald this morning. It is a “recap” of the tragedy and provides information I had not read in the documents. For one thing it states that the concoction poured over Nubia and Victor consisted of gasoline, pinesol, chlorine tablets and liquid chlorine and drank. It also reveals the medical condition Nubia was to be treated for on a daily basis. And at this point, I think it’s safe to assume that didn’t occur following then adoption.

  45. Vicky says:

    FYI, in follow up to the young girl found wandering barefoot, her tourturers have been charged. Her story gets worse as well. Not only was she being abused by her step brother over an extended period of time… The biological mother gave up her rights to the child so she could continue living with the pedophile she was married to, and who molested this poor child. Bio mom is now wanting to reunite with her daughter, as she is no longer with the perv. A bit late, don’t you think? I swear, if they place that child back into the care of a woman who put her relationship with a pedophile above her child, I am going to smash my computer so I can’t come across anymore of these frigging stories.

  46. Vicky says:

    Below is an opinion I can agree withand information about the “barefoot girl” case. I don’t even want to dirty my finders right now typing the trotters names. There are also articles in the mainstream media.

  47. snoopysleuth says:

    Vicky~~I think old Jorge want to go skinny dipping in the toilet bowl and dove off the sink and missed his mark. Would I love to see him stuck head first in the toilet and gurgle until he drown. I can bet the guards would never be able to contain their laughter to haul the human plunger out of there. Now I am off to check out the link you posted. Thanks for helping me stay on top of things in here.

  48. Vicky says:

    Snoopy, I think I’m about to wear my eyes and brain out. LOL

    I am also keeping up with a case that occurred thisnpast week in Stover, Missoiri. It has been on the local news. The boyfriend murdered a three year old, and then proceeded, with the assistance of the “mother”, to cover up the crime, by reporting the death as a hit and run crime. The details are mind blowing.
    The child did not die immediately, as a matter of fact, he drove the child to the mothers work and she looked the child over, and did nothing. We keep our boat at the Lake of the Ozarks, and drive down the very road this monster used to stage his crime.

  49. snoopysleuth says:

    Vicky~~re the 15 yr old barefoot girl…this info is from your link…look how low the bond is and they are both out free on bail. Look at the charges… geez. The girl had to call her stepmother, ‘your majesty’…. need I say more?

    Stepbrother was charged with raping the girl, beginning just after her 10th birthday. The father and stepmother were charged with child abuse and first-degree reckless endangerment. All the charges are felonies. Cash bond between $22,500 and $30,000 was set for the three and they are free on bail

    Two neighbors told the press that they had twice called Child Services, but the department has acknowledged having received 10 calls to the home since 2006. Six were “unsubstantiated or did not meet the legal definition of abuse or neglect. One report, dating from 1997, was not properly noted, so nothing is known about that one. The other three, including the call placed after she was found by Vega, were still “pending.”

  50. snoopysleuth says:

    Now we add this little boy to the long list. He was beat to death by mommy’s boyfriend because he pooped his pants. So they are only charged with second degree murder. Do they have the death penalty in Missouri? I can see mommy getting off scott free on this one and only serve probation even though she aided and abetted in the cover up.

    Blake Litton three years old….Missouri…beat to death

  51. Vicky says:

    Yes, Snoopy, they have the death penalty in Missouri. Both individuals showed depraved indifference toward this child. The little sister had a broken wrist as well. Nobody will ever convince me that the DNA donor did not know those children were being abused. As far as I’m concerned both should be charged with first degree murder. No effort was made to save this child’s life! His injuries were probably fatal, but the fact that the person who gave birth to him did not call for help once she saw her child, is in my opinion, unforgivable. I will guarantee you that there was an RN on duty in that nursing home. Also, the ambulance/ EMT station is only minutes away. Stover is a small town, but Versalles is just right down the highway, as is Cole Camp. Both hae fire and rescue. Sedallia, where he was taken is about a 20 minute drive.
    What kind of monsters would rather watch a child die than to face prison. Sadly, the boyfriend will probable do less that 25 years, and the mom will be out of prison in less than 10. One can only hope the state of Missoiri will not plea bargain with either one of them.

  52. snoopysleuth says:

    What is the legal definition of abuse and neglect as per Child Protective Services?

  53. Vicky says:

    Each state makes that determination based upon the minimum standards established by the federal government.

  54. margaret says:

    This is just so sickening.. Those children never got hugs and kisses for no reason, never had anyone say they loved and were proud of them..I could not sleep last night, so I went back and listened to one of Simon’s radio program on the death penalty. I came to the conclusion of Denny and Cobra, some cases beg for the death penalty. This case and Josh powell case are right upon top. All these pervs killing children are next in line. I have never worked with just children, but I left hospital work for an Old Folks Home. I loved my older people[ I was in my twentys then] I soon learned that management was only interested in making sure all the paperwork was done. They could care less about the people. This must be the way DCF does with children. If they are not dedicated to those children, they shouldn’t have the job. I called the abuse hotline so many times , but I did get a few things changed for a while, it would always revert back to the old way. They would makke those people get out of bed at 4 AM, except for those who had family coming in and out, the kitchen would be locked up. Those people would sleep in their wheel chaires until 8am breakfast. They would not leave anthing out for us to give them juice or coffee.I came home crying everyday until I had to give it up. I guess what I am saying is that children and old people are just at the mercy of other people. Most of them are the wrong people. The older I get the less I understand people. I wish I could give all of these kids a peaceful happy life full of love. It is all in Gods hands. If you are listening God give all of them a big hug from me and tell them I am so sorry.

  55. Vicky says:

    evening Snoopy, here is another article on Blake Litton. I have met Sheriff Petty a few times while at the lake. He is a very nice and dedicated law enforcement officer. Although LE was never made aware. Also, Blake’ murderer apparently has a history with LE. It appears that there may have been prior reports of abuse to DCFS in this case as well. I guess it will all come out once the investigation is over. Stover is a really small town. Mostly a farming community and a fairly large Mennonite population in the area. I’m sure the community is reeling. About 8 years ago, there was a kidnapping in nearby Cole Camp. Fortunately, that child was recovered following an Amber Alert. But, I digress. I still can’t get over the fact that little Blake’s mother failed to seek help for her child. Actually, both children. Talk about a worthless POS. I wonder if both of them were abusing the children. There is a pretty big Meth problem in Morgan County. Maybe they were both strung out.

  56. snoopysleuth says:

    Margaret~~yes, the abuse can go on in nursing homes too. I watched a documentary on tv about a nursing home in Ontario, Canada. Relatives had noticed bruises on their elderly mother and she was always missing money. The daughters set up a hidden video camera. The caregivers left the mother in her wheelchair for four hours and would not help her to get back in bed after she had used the bathroom. When a caregiver (big husky woman) finally came to help in bed, she picked her up bodily and threw her on the bed and then took her foot and kicked the old lady’s leg to get it up on the bed. It also showed the caregivers stealing money out of the bedside stand and putting it in their pocket. It also showed other older people being abused. Any elderly people watching it would be so frightened to ever end up in a nursing home. There are good nursing homes just like there are dedicated social workers but then there are the SOB’s who just want a paycheck and do not give a damn about pain and suffering.

  57. snoopysleuth says:

    Body found in barrel, is it missing teen? Angela Allen, Van Buren, AR last seen Feb 10/12
    Tonight on Nancy Grace, cops find a female body in a 50 gallon barrel buried in a shallow grave. Is it missing 16 year-old, Angela Allen?

  58. snoopysleuth says:

    Vicky~~I like what I read about your Sheriff Petty, especially the following.. he used the word ‘our’ and it goes to show he is not trying to put the blame on everyone else.

    “I want to see that our feet are held to the fire and that every other agency also is,” Petty said. “We absolutely don’t want (something like this) to happen.”

  59. snoopysleuth says:

    Vicky, I also copied the following from your link. I think it goes to show once again, why was this abuse overlooked and not dealt with by CPS? Notice I bolded ‘this time’ indicating that he had beat him before. Those children must have suffered so much. Broken blood vessel in brain and the little girl with a broken wrist.

    Presley reportedly “became enraged at the child and began beating the child” because the boy had soiled his pants. “I really beat him bad this time,” Presley said, according to the probable cause statement.

    The sheriff suggested there had been a history of abuse.

    “I don’t have personal knowledge,” Petty said, “but I understand there had been some calls (to the child abuse hotline) in the past,” Petty said. “That is something we’re looking into (the history of prior calls involving child abuse) to see whether there was a failure in the system.”

    Blake’s younger sister, who recently turned 3, was taken into custody. She also showed evidence of physical abuse. According to the probable cause statement, bruising was visible on her head, torso, legs, buttocks and arms and her left wrist was broken.

    A nurse examiner reported the girls’ injuries are “anywhere from one to two weeks

  60. Vicky says:

    Snoopy, It was nice to see someone looking for solutions rather than pointing fingers. As I said, I have met Sheriff Petty a few times over the past ten years, while at the lake. He is a very “worm” person, but is also a no nonsense kind of man. Believe me, LE in Morgan County can have their hands full at times when dealing with incidents that occur around that area of the lake. My contact with him has been mostly at restaurants. He really is quite a character. Unfortunately, he and his deputies have had to make their presence know a time or two in the marina we stay at as well. But, those are entirely different stories.
    I can honestly say, this is the first child death by abuse I have heard about from that specific area of Missouri. However, there is a lot of poverty and drug use in the area, so I have heard plenty of child neglect stories, with children removed from their homes.

  61. Vicky says:

    Crap! He is a very warm person. 🙂

    I am glad you straightened that one out. I thought, “what the hoot is she trying to tell me?” and then I thought, “oh well, when he fishes he uses worms for bait.”~~SS

  62. Amber from Maryland says:

    Hi Margaret and Snoopy
    It is terrible that both helpless old people and helpless children are abused and unprotected by the systems that are supposed to protect them. I don’t know what, if anything, we can do about it. I suspect that it is partly that we don’t invest enough money into the systems that protect the helpless elderly and children. The helpless elderly and children can’t vote and don’t make huge contributions to polititicans and lobbyests. This is a bad situation.

  63. snoopysleuth says:

    Amber~~as long as people are cognizant of the voting procedures, they can vote by proxy if they reside in nursing homes and are unable to get to the polling booths. Children are the voters of the future. A lot of nursing homes are privately operated. Like any other facility, some put the almighty dollar ahead of the care of their residents. Money can be funneled into government agencies but how much goes into the pockets of the ones we entrust to sit in parliament or the legislature and make our decisions where that money should be spent?

  64. snoopysleuth says:

    There should be a warning sign on every browser when you click on it…. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK Here is another example….How can we really know who we are communicating with?

    Lloyd Jones being held in Angela Allen’s disappearance

  65. estee1240 says:

    Please tell me that these two degenerates were not Florida natives….It is so disheartening to hear of yet another blemish on this beautiful state…I can hardly bear to read of another child being so terribly abused…I thank my lucky stars and God too that I did not turn out to be another statistic…

  66. snoopysleuth says:

    estee1240 ~~ I don’t know if the Barachonas are native to Florida but they do reside near Miami. I believe that is in Broward County. All the abuse took place in that county. Sorry I am not as familar as Dave with Florida but I am learning. Carmen and Jorge Barachona are both in jail charged with first degree murder and awaiting their trial which I expect will be months before it gets under way.

  67. snoopysleuth says:

    Here is the latest on Angela Allen, 16, who met a 36 yr old sex offender on the internet… another deadly outcome…

    FORT SMITH, Ark. (KFSM) — According to Major Kevin Nickson with the Sebastian County Sheriff’s Office, an autopsy confirmed Tuesday that human remains found in Sebastian County are those of missing Van Buren teen, Angela Allen. He also said the cause of death was strangulation.

    Her body was found inside a blue plastic barrel buried on the property of convicted rapist Lloyd Jones, 36, of Lavaca, on Feb. 17, a week after Allen was reported missing.

    Jones has a warrant for a first degree murder charge in connection with Allen’s death.


    The affidavit states Jones became upset with Allen after she told him she was only 16.

    Jones said he forcibly struck her in the chest with both hands, knocking Allen into and under the water, according to the affidavit.

    The affidavit also states that Amanda Cox, Jones’ girlfriend at the time of his arrest, said that his clothes were covered in mud when he came

    Read more here….

  68. snoopysleuth says:

    The following is really freaky yet interesting. Be sure and scroll down and watch the video.

    The Mystery Symbols Inside the Barahona’s House of Horrors

    Most prominent, a photo of the Shroud of Turin, a linen cloth said to have covered the body of a crucified man. Many believe it’s the face of Jesus marked by blood.

    “The image of the Shroud of Turin, which is really bloody, is important in terms of the degree of morbidity in the minds of this couple,” explained Daniel Alvarez, Professor of Religious Studies at Florida International University.

    Alvarez examined the Barahona images with CBS4′s Gio Benitez.

    He told Benitez that some people become fascinated with the idea of sacrifice, no matter the religion.

    “They associate suffering, and blood, and dying with something redemptive and valuable in itself,” said Alvarez.

    Read more here…

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