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FYI~~ Dave has a new post up.
The Convenience of Karma and the Cancer Disconnect
Snoop: If you scroll down towards the bottom of that WESH link, you can see parts one and two on the little videos. Still, very poor quality–especially if you enlarge them.
There was a fairly big fire in my neighbourhood this afternoon. I heard all the sirens and everything but I just took a quick peek and kept on watching the trial. Anyway, a few minutes ago my Uncle called wanting to know what I knew.
Oh dear. I sounded like a big dummy. I didn’t know what on earth he was talking about. In my defense, the smoke was blowing the other way and a siren is a common sound.
No one was hurt, or anything very serious though. Thank goodness.
Nan11~~we may as well discuss Dr Murray’s trial right in here since it is a new thread. I noticed the state is showing that Dr Murray does not tell the paramedics or the emergency room doctor about that other drug he administered to Michael, Propo…something or other. I am beginning to think it is not looking too good for Conrad Murray. I find the defense is ‘weak’ so far in their cross exams.
For goodness sake, Nan11, if your own smoke alarm goes off, will you please leave the monitor and check your kitchen for the fat pot boiling over?
Nan11~~I am going to repost the link to Casey’s reaction when Caylee’s remains were found. Thanks for letting me know to scroll down the page to see the videos. I just peeked at the slides. It seems they let Casey sit there for quite a few minutes before someone attended to her. Was Baez wiping away tears in the other video?
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/29348254/detail.html
Snoop: Honest, I would move if it was the smoke alarm going off in my house. When I heard all the sirens, I did check on my cats.
Once I was sure everything was all right with them, I thought it was safe to continue on with the trial.
I don’t think he said a thing about the propofol until after the autopsy (when the police were questioning him and they were already suspicious of him.)
There was a lot of talk right after his death that he had been using propofol for quite a few years–he called it his milk.
I found there was quite a few discrepancies between what the ambulance attendants had to say compared to the body guards, and I can’t figure out why the State would have let that happen. I wonder what is coming next, unless they just want to chalk it up to the confusion of the moment.
Even though I’m enjoying the trial, this is one jury that I would not really want to be on. I’m sorry for everyone. Michael Jackson himself and his kids; Michael’s Mom and Dad; even his brothers and sisters.
I do think that Michael had problems with perscription drugs and I really believe that maybe one doctor didn’t know what the other doctor was giving him. I think that Dr. Murray got caught holding the bag and that there may very well be reason to convict him of involuntary manslaughter.
However, if it wouldn’t have been him–I think it would have been someone else.
I’m so sorry for the pain of the Jackson family but I think they were instrumental in bringing this to trial and I think they did that because they are desperate to blame the death of their brother on someone, anyone.
Anyway, that just my opinion.
Nan11~~when you are rich you can get anyone to do just about anything for you, just pay them big bucks. I also noticed the security staff’s stories did not match the paramedics. With all the confusion, I don’t know how they got their stories straight. Michael seemed to have major problems as did Elvis Presley and many other famous stars. They seem to lose their identity when they become performers and some of them depend on drugs and sleeping aids to keep up with the pace. They make big money and live in mansions but are they content and happy?
Here is a glimpse of where Hurricane Ophelia is at the moment and is a category three. Dang I hope it stays on the projected course and doesn’t veer any more west.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26295161/ns/weather/t/hurricane-tracker/
Snoop: Yikes, that thing looks nasty. I hate to type this but it wouldn’t take much of a course change to hit our coast. I just clicked on my weather link and it shows five days of sold rain, starting tomorrow.
Regarding the rich and famous, that is the saddest thing. Many of them use their money to buy prescription drugs and, therefore, don’t consider themselves to be drug addicts.
Yep, Elvis Presley is another example of this; and also Anna Nicole Smith.
I have to agree with nan11 concerning the blame game for Michael’s death. It could have been any doctor, too. Dr. Murray did seem as though he panicked when Michael went into cardiac arrest probably due to the illegal use of propofol being found out-he knew there would be trouble and tried to cover it up. Well, I’m only half watching the trial. It will be interesting when the defense gets their turn at it.
{I’m blowing as hard as I can to keep Ophelia heading east}
Snoop: Here is a few interesting links, (well, imo), concerning the Conrad Murray trial. In the first one, we get a little bit of info on the most interesting judge.
The second one contains a little more info on the jury, and the last one has some little tidbits about things we don’t get to see.
E Online ~ Michael Jackson Manslaughter Trial Cheat Sheet: Everything You Need to Know
Tue., Sep. 27, 2011 5:15 AM PDT by Natalie Finn and Baker Machado
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The Judge L.A. Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor, named Judge of the Year in 2007 by the L.A. County Bar Association, is one of only 10 judges in the entire Superior Court system designated to preside over “complex criminal litigation.” He is allowing cameras in the courtroom and refused the defense’s wish to sequester the jury for the duration of the trial, calling it an unnecessary burden on the jurors.
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The Sun ~ 8 out of 12 Michael Jackson trial jurors are Jacko fans
By PETE SAMSON, US Editor ~ Published: 27 Sep 2011
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The panel, aged from 32 to 57, is made up of six white jurors, five Hispanic and one African-American.
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E Online ~ Michael Jackson Trial: 10 Things You Won’t See On TV
Thu., Sep. 29, 2011 4:00 AM PDT by Ken Baker
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5. Murray Exudes Relaxed Charisma: Think what you want about the man’s bedside manner, the 6-foot, 5-inch cardiologist walks in and out of court with ease and a sense of calm, more like a presidential candidate than an indicted doctor.
…snipped…
10. The Jackson Family Is Seated Close to Jury Box: Having sat directly behind Janet and Randy myself, I can attest that the family’s seating is in direct sight-line with jurors. Could this impact their verdict? “That is probably their hope,” says criminal defense attorney Troy Slaten. “Part of their purpose of being there, I’m sure, is to remind the jurors that their loved one has died at the hands of the doctor. And I’d imagine they absolutely hope to influence the jury.”
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Snoop: This is more on the business of Judge Pastor issuing the gag order. The first link is a write-up only, but you can watch the interview in the second link.
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) ~ Judge issues gag order in Jackson death trial
Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:29pm EDT | By Alex Dobuzinskis
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The judge in the manslaughter trial of Michael Jackson’s doctor issued a sharply worded gag order for attorneys on Friday and ordered one of them to return for a possible contempt hearing after he appeared on a TV show telling details about the case.
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MSN Today Video with Ann Curry ~ Doctor’s defense team: “Michael Jackson was addicted.”
Interview with defense attorney, Matt Alford, begins at about 4:13 minutes in.
This really impresses me. There will be no Linda Kenney-Baden or Andrea Lyon giving interviews during the trial. This judge will take the necessary action to stop it! MOO
Nan11~~wow, that is some great info so now I can get to know the names of the state and defense. I can understand why Judge Michael Pastor was named judge of the year. I really like him and his no nonsense. Thanks for digging up a good summary of what this case is about.
What a dark old rainy day here and more heavy rain tomorrow. Hope your cats don’t want to go out and play in the puddles.
Snoop: Well, the cats think they do–until they get out there and remember that they don’t like it when it’s wet. Ha ha, then they come back in and roll around on my carpet to dry themselves off.
On a more serious note, other than probably fairly heavy rain–it looks like Ophelia won’t hit my area much; however, according to the link below, it looks like it may strike close to you as a Category 1 on Sunday.
I clicked again today on the link in your comment of 10:11 pm, yesterday; and it seems further off that that. I guess it’s hard to say which one is right.
Sherry has a very good idea–maybe if we all keep huffing and puffing as hard as we can, the nasty old thing will even miss Newfoundland.
Hurricane Ophelia strengthens, targets Atlantic Canada
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The storm is heading in a general northward direction, and is on track to skim Atlantic Canada on the weekend. Ophelia will near Nova Scotia on Sunday, probably as a Category 1 hurricane. By Sunday night, it’s expected to graze Newfoundland.
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Snoop: I thought this was kind of interesting, too. What strikes me about the phone call is not so much that Dr. Murray is rambling–but the timing of it. Apparently, it was made less than a half-hour before the 911. Now, I think we are also going to hear of another phone call to a ‘lady friend’ of Dr. Murray’s (made after this one)–to whom he may have been speaking at the exact time he realized that Michael was no longer breathing.
This is very damaging, imo. His defense is supposedly going to provide evidence (or try to), that indicates that Dr. Murray sat with Michael until the propofol that he administered was all gone from his system and that he only left Michael’s bedside when it was perfectly safe.
So, I guess that after he left a sleeping (and drugged) Mr. Jackson–Mr. Jackson somehow woke up, located and opened the dose of propofol that casued his death (two bottles worth), and administered it himself? I don’t know how they are going to make that fly, but we’ll see.
Michael Jackson Manslaughter Trial: Big Moments From Day Four
Fri., Sep. 30, 2011 6:00 PM PDT by BRUNA NESSIF AND BAKER MACHADO
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3. Mixed Message: Another one of Murray’s patients, Robert Russell, took the stand and had prosecution play a voicemail Murray left for him less than a half hour before the 911 call was placed. The doctor sounded calm but kept rambling. “I thought the message was odd,” Russell said.
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Rough transcript of Dr. Murray’s call to Robert Russell:
This is Dr. Murray’s call [unintelligible]. Sorry I missed you, and just wanted to talk to you about your results of the ECP. You did quite well on the study. Um, I’m hoping that you still continue to do well after your heart has been repaired, Um, I’ve had a scheduled appointment with you this past Monday; but, ah, unexpectedly something unforeseen did not allow me to keep those appointments. I will be again operating in Las Vegas on Monday, this coming week. And I do have a reduced schedule, but I do have a covering physician—in town. Currently, I am doing an out of town assignment. But I will be back on Monday of this coming week, where I’ll be, ah, performing procedures again in the hospital. My patients have been all seen and they are doing quite well. I will love to continue to see you as a patient, even though I may have to be absent from my practice for—ah, because of an overseas sabbatical. There will be a new physician [unintelligible], alright? [unintelligible] treated at this time, for the practice. Should you wish to call me back, [telephone number redacted]. Please require your number when you call, otherwise I may not pick it up and I will need to [unintelligible] that call. Thank you. Bye Bye.
End of transcript.
Snoop: Just some ‘You Tube’ videos I came across. Only the last one is musical–a very young Michael Jackson singing ‘Ben’ at the Oscars in 1973. I couldn’t resist–he was absolutely precious, talented and charming.
The other two are from the time he spent in Ireland.
The first video also shows how beautiful Ireland is, and is an interview with a man whom Michael Jackson and his children spent time with. The second one is a radio interview (voice only), but the interviewee makes Mr. Jackson sound so normal–I never would have thought it.
Michael Jackson In Ireland, Interview.
Michael Jackson visited Ballinacurra House, Kinsale, Co. Cork. Owner Des McGahan speaks
1973 ~ Michael Jackson performing at the Oscars®
Snoop: I came across this at WebSleuths, and its bothering me. Someone must be wondering where their son is. It says he had ‘bright orange hair’–but I wonder if they mean dyed or natural? There are a lot of natural red-heads in the Miramichi area, and the spelling of “Michel” would indicate french-speaking.
They won’t say how he died, or how they know that is the last picture of him. Gosh, you don’t usually die of natural caused when you’re in your 20′s. {sigh}
Anyway, there is a small, blurred picture at the link; and maybe someone will stop by who might recognize him.
Montreal police seek help to identify body
By ANNE SUTHERLAND, The Gazette October 1, 2011
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He had no identity papers – and a bracelet engraved with Michel, which may or may not be his name.
Montreal police are asking for help to identify a man found dead in early July.
The mystery man, in his 20s, was 5 foot 9 inches, 75 kilograms and had brown eyes and shoulder-length bright orange hair.
He was wearing a baseball jersey – white with red sleeves – brown cargo pants, beige socks and brown sport shoes when he was found. In addition to the bracelet, he wore a Lord of the Rings-type band on one finger and a green elastic around his left bicep.
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Nan11~~some young men leave home and do not keep in contact with their family so their relatives do not know they are missing. I hope someone will recognize the picture. I wonder if the red hair is natural or dyed. I remember Scott Peterson died his hair red when he wanted to change his appearance. How did the police get that picture of the young man? He looks alive in it.
What a wet old day here and I noticed the winds starting to pick up. Orphelia is still a cat 2 and just starting to approach east of Yarmouth but it is way out to sea . We are due for heavy rain and am not sure about the winds. It is supposed to end up around St Johns, Nfld as a tropical storm.
Good afternoon Ladies! I am trying to catch up been under the weather for a couple of days. Friday evening I went to the Emergency Room (not my idea) and had many test ran on me. One of the test showed a lesion on my liver. So now I have to follow up with a new doctor. Do any of you know anything about this. I am trying to finish up a couple big projects at work before the end of the year. Is this something that can wait? Of course I did not ask the e.r. doctor these questions because my evil daughters were sitting right there!
Laurali: You just listen to your lovely, intelligent daughters; and get your little butt in there for any tests your doctors need to run. Try to fit your work projects around your tests–not your tests around your work projects. I know this is easier said then done, but you must give yourself priority.
There now. That’s my advice and I’m sticking to it.!
Nan my girls google-d the information pack and they are insisting I go asap. I will call for an appointment tomorrow or Tuesday. I remember thinking it will be nice when my children are productive citizens, I am rethinking that now. It would be nice if they were little again. They were not nearly as bossy as they are now.
Thanks for the advice, I promise I will work on it. For now it is nap time.
Laura~~ for goodness sake! Listen to Nan11′s advice and your daughters. A job can be replaced, a life cannot. A person’s health takes priority over everything else. You should know that! Liver lesions are fairly common but they need to be further investigated. You did not mention what symptoms you had when you went to emerg. Have you read Dave’s latest post?
The Convenience of Karma and the Cancer Disconnect
Laurali, Call for an appointment Mon. not Tues. You may have to wait for an appointment so the sooner the better.
Nan11, I think that young man’s hair is a natural red. My grandson’s hair is that same color.Someone must know who he is. If they don’t know who he is how did they get that picture? He was wearing the same clothes as the photo when he was found. Maybe the photo was on his person but if it was just taken you would think it would have to be a Polaroid.
Snoop, Today our weather is cold and rainy with high winds just like yesterday. I have been thinking of you and the hurricane heading your way. I’m glad to hear it is now a category 2. Here’s hoping it slows down some more before it gets to you. There sure has been some wild weather all over the world. I can’t complain about a little cold, rain and wind when I see so many people being displaced by water.
No I had not seen his new post. I just read it and left a comment.
Symptoms pain under rib. not able to keep food down. dehydrated. loss of weight. head aches. pressure in chest and neck area.
I will make a follow up asap now that I read Dave’s post. I thought it to be nothing so it could wait. I am a stubborn lady when it comes to doctors.
Laura~~ you can’t afford to lose any more weight. You are skin and bones now with all the excess energy you have. Lots of people have liver lesions and only find out about them when they start to get symptoms. Your symptoms may have occured from an inflamed bile duct as a result of wolfing down a veggie burger. Most lesions are benign but to be on the side of caution, the doc will probably want to do a biopsy. I am not a medic….but as a concerned cyber granny….make that appointment tomorrow. That is an order!!
I will, promise. But to set you straight I do not eat veggie burgers. My weight is 45 kilograms. I have no clue how many pounds it is, but 45 sounded good so I will take it
. The last time I went to the doctor I weighed 107 pounds. That is from a couple of weeks ago.
Keep me posted when Dave has a new post or any new news. I am so out of the loop.
Laurali, I do hope you are not just giving “lip service” to nan and Snoopy !! Your body is telling you something is not right. Whether it is something simple or complex you do not know. Instead of being stubborn, be the smart lady that you are in other areas !
Newbie~~I agree!!
I don’t know if you know this but Knight Owl passed away in August. Humbles has a post for condolences~
http://humbleopinionforum.net/knight-owl-you-are-missed/#comment-233346
I’m going to miss {wavin} at her and sweet Louie, her cat.
Sherry that is very sad!
I dropped off my paper work at my primary care doctor this a.m. they will schedule my appt. with specialist and call me later today. I kept my promise. Now I gotta scoot but I will give you a date and time when I get it later today.
Good girl, laurli. You have my prayers! {hugs}
Laurali: I am very proud of your decision.
Sherry: Thanks for mentioning that. I didn’t know about Knight Owl. How sad!
Snoop: Did you watch the cross of the emergency doc? Wow, she was good. The defense atty might have scored a point or two, but it was good to watch.
I am so sorry to hear about Knight Owl. I remember she followed the Anthony case way back when I used to comment at Humble’s. She loved her cat, Louie.
Nan11, I am watching the trial but missed a bit here and there.
Snoop: I just heard that they found Amanda Knox not guilty in that last appeal. Her parents are going to get her on a plane and fly her home before they Italian authorities change their minds.
I’m glad to hear this. (I’m sorry for Meridith’s parents but I think they really do have the man that murdered her in prison.)
Snoop: Nancy had a pretty decent night on Dancing With The Stars, but I think she will be in the bottom two tomorrow. Everyone was so good.
Ahh, my gad-about kitty just came in. That always pleases me because I’m a chicken about going out to look for her.
I’ll have to miss the trial tomorrow afternoon–I can catch the after 5:00 part. I think it’s going to be interesting because they are doing Conrad Murray’s phone records. I’d like to hear the testimony of the girl he was talking to just before 11:30 am. Apparently, Dr. Murray just abruptly stops talking to her, but she hears ‘sounds’ before he disconnects.
I think she may have just taken the stand before they ended for the day, so there is not much chance of me catching it live. I’ll find a write-up or something, though.
Nan11~~I sure miss being able to view videos of the trial at night like WFTV used to have. If I get a chance to watch the trial tomorrow, I will do my best to recap for you.
Nan11~~it seems Dr Murray had lots of girlfriends. One was speaking to him on the phone around the time Michael apparently went into distress. She was talking away to Murray and then realized he was not on the other end of the phone. She said she heard muffled sounds like Murray had put the phone in his pocket. When he didn’t come back on the phone, she hung up after about three minutes.
Nichole Alvarez lived with Dr Murray in an apartment in Santa Monica, CA. She has a son by Murray. Murray called her when he was in the ambulance with Michael on the way to the emerg. Murray had many packages delivered to Nichole apt. and she signed for some if she was home. Other packages were signed by someone else and left in the ‘common area’ of the apartment bldg. Nicole said that she went with Murray and visited Michael Jackson on a couple of occasions. Murray arranged these visits. Nicole said she was an actress and had met Murray at some social gathering. They became very close and then lived together and he was living at her apt at the time of Michael’s death.
Snoops: Thanks for the recap. I got to see most of the ‘pharmacist’s’ testimony, but I missed all the girls. Wouldn’t you know it–they ended early for the day.
That one he was talking to when he suddenly put the phone in his pocket–those moments were probably the final moments of Michael Jackson’s life. Apparently, this one heard coughing.
There are a lot of strange little things that I have questions about, but it’s hard not to see some ‘negligence’ here. I think that about twenty minutes passed after Murray ‘put the phone in his pocket’–before 911 was called. I would like to know why.
Even though this guy had more women than most people would care to count, I do believe he was an excellent cardiologist. So, was it his arrogance that led him to believe he could save Michael without the proper medical equipment, or was he waiting to be sure Michael had passed.
I don’t really believe he was so panicked that he didn’t know what to do–not with his level of professional training, and his calm and composed manner during the trial.
(How ’bout that one that had to maintain her instruments? It would be funny, except this bird brain doesn’t seem to realize that someone died. Maybe she is missing the main instrument–the one that is suppose to be between our ears?)
Nan11~~this Nichole Alvarez just seemed tickled pink to be on the witness stand to show off her instruments. She is 29 years old. She didn’t seem to mind that Dr Murray had another couple of women on the go, I am not sure how the verdict will come down on this one. Not too many people would like to see a good cardiologist spend four years behind bars. That fact may be in his favor.
The Nancy Grace Fart Mystery
Snoop: Re: The Nancy Grace Fart Mystery. My ‘puter won’t let me play videos on that site this week–I could last week.
Their live link to the trial still works for me, though.
Poor Nancy–last week it was an exposed boobie, this week it’s did she fart or not. Someone doesn’t like her, that’s for sure. However, she made it through. I was surprised by that.
Chaz made it, also. They said next week Cher might be in the audience to watch. That will be cool. :mrcool:
Nan11~~it was a very short video clip of Nancy. It sounded to me like someone’s stomach growling. I find it very distasteful for anyone to do a write up about it.
I watched the Dr Conrad Murray trial today. Michael’s bedroom seemed like a hospital ward combined with a whole pharmacy. I found the trial rather boring so I listened to it and played games at facebook at the same time.
What a windy old dark, dreary, wet day here. Our temps took a nose dive. Canadians are going to celebrate Thanksgiving this coming weekend. My dtr is arriving from Chicago on Thurs evening.
Snoop: I was just going to comment with a question about your weather. Ours is very similar. I had to give in and put the heat on. High winds to accompany everything.
I watched quite a bit of the trial, too. If I hear that tape of his speaking one more time, I think I will slip into a deep depression.
He needed help for so many years, imo. I’m actually reading a lot of comments around the blogs saying that Michael was in excellent health for a 50 year old. Oh my, Snoop; I may be the majority of one but that is not the way I see it.
Anyway there is a new little 10 month old missing–I don’t know if you’ve been following. Here is a link with a little info:
Missing Baby Lisa’s Parents Make Emotional Plea for Her Return
By CHRISTINA NG and KEVIN DOLAK ~ Oct. 5, 2011
Your Thanksgiving plans sound fun.
Nan11 ~~omg, Lisa is like a little doll. What a beautiful child. I pray that someone will drop her off at a fire station or hospital. I just hope a pedofile didn’t abduct her.
I had to use Mozilla Firefox to view the videos at that link.
I’m following this story at my forum. A neighbor was coming home from work a little bit after midnight and saw a man with a baby clothed only in a diaper walking down the street and he didn’t think anything of it. Unbelieveable!
Some reports are saying that there were other things taken. Whoever took the baby knew the neighborhood since it is an area with windy roads. One report said that the family had had a garage sale this past summer and that could be how this pervert knew of the baby at this address.
Snoop: My ‘Explorer’ will play the top video when I open the link, but I can’t get the other ones to play. I took your advice and tried ‘Firefox’ but the little ones wouldn’t open in there, either. It seemed to try harder–it kept transfering data here and there but they still didn’t play.
It is sad, though. It makes me think of the Trenton Duckett case. In this case, though, it seems that people are thinking that someone who wanted a baby took her. (I don’t really know where that is coming from–maybe a ‘Facebook’ rumor.)
At least it could mean she is still alive. Hopefully.
Prayers for tiny Lisa.
Sherry: I missed your comment before entered mine. I heard about the man walking down the street with a baby; and yes, that is unbelevable–but I think they have dropped that idea because they couldn’t confirm it or anything. Still, that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
I didn’t know about the garage sale, though. Gosh, I wonder if they could come up with some kind of description. A sketch or something could help.
The list of missing and abducted children is getting longer and longer. We still haven’t heard any more about Baby Kate. What are parents supposed to do, board up their windows? Do they sell these babies? I will say a special prayer for Lisa. Maybe tomorrow there will be some good news.
Lisa’s parents speak~
My prayers for this precious child’s safe return.
http://www.kmbc.com/news/29404237/detail.html
This morning’s press conference with the parents-its a tear jerker.
Oh, Lord, I’m not sure I can get “into” this new missing child’s story too heavily- just too, too much. I’ve been hap-haphazardly following the Murray trial. Fact is, it doesn’t matter if he was a good cardiologist once or not (CPR with one hand, on the bed yet? No immediate 911 call?! What?!)- he was not an anesthesiologist, period, end of story. You don’t have to go any further than that for medical malpractice, and I really don’t think you need much more than that for guilty on negligence/manslaughter. It’s like an oncologist trying his hand at neurosurgery- wrong field of expertise. My Dad watched some of it last week while here, shaking his head- just retired from internal med a few years ago himself. He’s appalled! You send your patient with a “problem” to a specialist- an addiction specialist would be the appropriate one in this case. Clearly with the audiotape he had the evidence he needed that he had an addict on his hands. You don’t order up barrelfuls of GA if you are intent on weaning him off it.
G’afternoon Ladies Hope all of you are doing well. just a quick read to see that you are still here. Stay warm, even my sunny west coast is cold & wet.
Sherry: It took me a few minutes to get my mind back after hearing that mother crying. There is heartbreak and then there is that kind of pain–I wanted to put my arms around her and cry with her.
He came home and found almost all the lights on and the front door unlocked. I would guess that whoever entered through the window did not know what room the baby slept in.
Also, the perpetrator must not have even brought a flashlight with him/her. It’s so creepy to think of a person stealing a baby but going from room to room turning lights on and taking the time to steal the cell phones–as if they expected someone to wake up at any moment.
It’s a little bit strange to think the husband wouldn’t have taken his cell phone to work with him–but maybe not, though. She did say that she was working on getting the new one all set up–so, quite possibly it could have been his that had given up.
My deepest condolences go out to them–as well as my deepest prayers for the safe return of their daughter.
Cali: We had a little snow shower this afternoon. Just a hint of things to come.
It was pretty hard to watch Lisa’s mother. OMG, had that been one of my babies, I would have been the same. I hope whoever took that child will have a change of heart and return her. I am praying hard for the baby’s safety.
Nan11, we had a couple brief snow showers today too. This colder weather came on so fast, from the 20′s to just +3.
Lisa Irwin’s parents are making a list of any people they came in contact with who may be suspect. I wonder if the kidnapper turns any of those cells phone on, can the phone company trace a location? I am not too familar with how that works. Here is a link to more info…
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-desperate-parents-make-lists-suspects/story?id=14679914
Snoop: I was wondering about that too. I think they can.
Do you see this part? (I think it may have just been added)
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The parents of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin, missing since Monday, have stopped cooperating with authorities, according to police.
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Wonder why they would stop co-operating. Something must be going on.
Nan11~ ~no, I never read about them not co-operating with police. Dear God, don’t tell me this is going to be another one of those mysteries. Okay, now I don’t feel so bad because I have a suspicious nature. I found something strange about the father. The last I read, all the windows were open and the lights were all on and front door unlocked. Why ‘all’ the windows open? There is something that bothers me about those cell phones. I am shocked that the mother of a young baby would not wake easily. She slept through it all but ‘familar footsteps’ that she was used to hearing would not have aroused her.
Nan11~~me again with a brain storm…. I think Lisa’s parents got a ransom note or call from the kidnapper who warned them not to contact police.
I think the story was put out about them not co-operating was done on purpose. *wink
The info at that link was editted after I posted it…. interesting!
I’m thinking the way you are about the father, Snoopy. He doesn’t put his arm around his wife as she is crying/sobbing. He looks so deadpan, too.
I’m hoping you are right about the ransom note, though. Maybe the story is just that so that the kidnapper will think they are doing what they can to get the money for their baby.
Here is the latest news I could find on Baby Kate out of Michigan…
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/article/179637/2/Baby-Kate-suspect-gets-new-charges
Snoop: Your ‘theory’ on little Lisa is the most positive I’ve heard so far.
There are a lot of things that make me feel uncomfortable with the story from the baby’s parents.
First, (and I can’t find a link to support this)–but, there is some discussion going on about them (or one of them), failing a polygraph. This preceded the statements of them ceasing to co-operate with police. Next, they have hired a lawyer. This fact may be supported in the video at the first link below–however, my puter won’t play the video. And from my quote below, apparently they have made a ‘deal’ with a national network and will no longer speak to regular media.
Then in the second link, we hear that it is not ‘necessarily’ true that the family has stopped co-operating with police. But notice the time of the video posting–it is before the write-up and video in my first link.
So, I’m confused by all of this. All I can think of is that if it is true that they have decided to stop cooperating with the police, how do they think they will find their baby? The news media and a lawyer will not help much, imo.
Fox 4 ~ Police: Parents No Longer Cooperating in Baby Lisa Search
Jason Vaughn, Interactive Content Producer ~ 9:54 p.m. CDT, October 6, 2011
Quote:
snipped…where an unidentified woman claimed that the family had “a deal” with a national news network and refused to talk to the media.
The family of Lisa Irwin’s parents in Independence told FOX 4 News that the family has done all they can to help police in the search for their child, and that they don’t blame them for not wanting to talk any more to police.
In a statement to the media earlier in the day, Jeremy Irwin’s sister disputed the police claim that the couple had stopped cooperating with detectives.
“We want the public to know we have never stopped cooperating with police,” she said in a prepared statement. She said that the parents plan on releasing a statement on Friday.
End of Quote
KMBC Video ~ Irwin Family Member Issues Statement
UPDATED: 9:21 pm CDT October 6, 2011
Quote:
Hours after police said the family of missing baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with the investigation, a member of the Irwin family said that’s not necessarily the case.
End of Quote
My prayers go out to baby Lisa, baby Kate (thanks for the update), beautiful Susan Powell; and for the continued safety and well being of her two sons.
Snoop: Here is a little more info on baby, Lisa, from MSN Today (this morning’s show).
This write-up does mention that it was Lisa’s mother, Deborah, that failed the poly. Also, it was Lisa’s father, Jeremy, that walked out of the police interview. Law enforcement drew their own conclusions from there, and held their press conference. Then, I guess, the family held their own ‘press conference’.
Here is another quote from the first link below–I find it is early into the search for Lisa for the ‘authorities’ to shut down their ‘command post’. I also heard (but I don’t believe it is in this link), that evidence items were seized from the home and the crime scene tape was removed.
Quote from link below:
Authorities announced Thursday they were shutting down the command post about a mile from the family home.
End of Quote
Father of missing baby: ‘I reached my boiling point’
Sub-Heading: Jeremy Irwin took a ‘break’ from police investigation as police say mother failed polygraph
TODAY staff and wire ~ updated 1 hour 6 minutes ago
Quote:
“We were at the station yesterday being interviewed again, and I just had reached my boiling point and asked them, ‘Guys, I can’t do this anymore today, I need a break, (and) I can’t answer any more questions,’’’ Jeremy Irwin told Matt Lauer. “The next thing we knew was the press conference yesterday…” {snipped}
Bradley also admitted on Friday that she had failed a voluntary lie-detector test that was administered by police.
End of Quote
Just a few personal observations–I do believe Deborah’s tears; however, I found it strange that she never said that she was in bed sleeping when Jeremy came home. I may have missed this, though.
I’m hoping that maybe she is not telling the truth about some ‘little’ thing like this. They appear to be ‘hot-heads’ in regards to co-operating with law enforcement, even though they do not seem to be so in their interviews with the media.
Regarding Jeremy, I find it strange that he never quite manages to look into the camera. That could just mean he is shy, though.
I pray that they realize that law enforcement is their best, if not only, hope in finding their daughter. They need to co-operate–if it’s not already too late.
The following link is for an interview that the couple gave yesterday. It was one I hadn’t seen so I thought I would add it. It has clips of an interview with Jeremy’s parents; and Jeremy and Deborah say that the police aren’t telling them much–maybe because they aren’t tell the police much? It’s a two way street, I think.
MSN VIDEO ~ Police: Parents of missing baby no longer cooperating
Sub-Heading: Change happened on same day they pleaded for return of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin
Video dated October 6, 2011
Snoop:
Sorry about that. I guess they have added the video in my second link to the top of the article in my first link. (It took me so long to get it posted that they updated it in the meantime. LOL)
Anyway, the write-up is different.
Snoop: Me again. I’ve gotten myself all confused over these videos. (Sorry, I’m not a good multi-tasker and I’ve got too much on the go right now.)
I do believe the two links in my comment of 11:40 am are for different videos–even though the starting picture is the same. LOL
Anyway, I just dropped into WebSleuths to see what there chatter was and I discovered this video:
MSN Today ~ Father of missing baby: ‘I reached my boiling point’
Sub-Heading: Jeremy Irwin took a ‘break’ from police investigation as police say mother failed polygraph
It’s the same title as one of my earlier ones, but I different video. Around the three minute mark, this one has a short clip of Pat Brown discussing the case and give a floor plan of the home. I thought you might find it interesting, if you haven’t seen it.
Sorry for all my confusion.
Snoop: Are you sick of me yet?
Here are a couple of good links for anyone interested in staying up-to-date on the case. (Well, I think anyway.)
Notice they are giving lots of interviews to national media, but none to local media. MOO, but I think they are making a mistake. Maybe someone is giving this couple some advice that is not in their best interests–not to mention what’s in the best interest of their 10 month old daughter, iykwim.
KMBC Live Blog: Search Continues For Missing 10-Month Old LIVE
Facebook ~ Baby Lisa Irwin Updates
Nan11~~I am watching all the videos and trying to make some sense of this mess. I can understand why Deborah would fail a polygraph as she is so emotional. I believe she is not faking those tears like Susan Smith. On the other hand, Irvin seems to be very tired and distraught. He seems so timid. We will just keep waiting and praying for Lisa’s safety. Lisa’s parents do not look like they would be financially well off to pay off a ransom, if the kidnapper was demanding money.
Keep the information coming as I really appreciate all the sleuthing you do for us.
I appreciate the updates, too. Something caught my eye in the MSNBC article:
The couple told the Associated Press that police have treated them like suspects and that Bradley in particular has been preparing for the possibility of charges being filed against her.
The mother said detectives told her: “‘You did it. You did it. And we have nothing.’”
“The main problem I think that we’re facing is that everybody (else) has an alibi,” Irwin told the AP. “I was at work. I’ve been cleared. All these other people we were worried about … the FBI said they’ve been cleared. The only one you can’t clear is the mother that’s at home when it happens ’cause there’s nobody else there.”
Maybe that is why she is being singled out.
I’ve been thinking about Dave and praying for him all morning. I’m looking forward to an update on his progress. Maybe Stu will pop in and tell us what’s going on with him.
Snoop & Sherry: Dave is also in my thoughts and prayers.
KMBC VIDEO (Local “Good Morning America” affiliate) ~ Lisa Irwin’s Parents Dispute Police Cooperation Claims
UPDATED: 6:55 am CDT October 7, 2011
Above is a lengthy interview that Lisa’s parents gave ABC’s ‘Good Morning America’. It appears to be Deborah saying in her own words some of the things from Sherry’s quote.
They seem so willing to disclose everything to the media, but I think law enforcement is asking different, more personal, questions.
I hope they understand that law enforcement has now put the ‘ball’ in their court, and they need to either phone them or go down to their local police station. I don’t think law enforcement really has evidence that they are involved–but they must ask the tough questions to be sure.
Just for an example–suppose (my supposition only) she was with an ‘unknown’ person after she had put Lisa and her sons to bed–she has to tell law enforcement. This could be the ‘connection’ to who took Lisa. It might not be pleasant for her, but it could help to find her daughter.
They seem to think they have all the time in the world. I don’t understand this. Every minute that passes could be the minute that the baby’s life is taken. I don’t like to think this, but it’s already well past the ‘window of opportunity’ that exists during the first 48 hours.
Snoop: I guess the search is over for now, but it’s the second time they searched a dumpster and landfill site. This is bad news–law enforcement has reason to believe baby, Lisa, is not alive, imo.
Fox 4 ~ Dumpster Fire Leads Police To Search Landfill
Sarah Clark, Interactive Content Producer ~ 2:14 p.m. CDT, October 7, 2011
Quote:
KANSAS CITY, Mo.—
An early morning dumpster fire on Tuesday led investigators to search a Johnson County landfill in the Lisa Irwin case. Friday’s search was the second time investigators visited the landfill.
End of Quote
Snoop: Here is a couple of more updates on baby, Lisa.
On page two of this write-up, it says it was the one ‘night’ Jeremey worked and the ‘one’ night Deborah didn’t lock the front door. (It also says this in the video.)
ABC News ~ Missing Baby Lisa: FBI and Police Search Landfill
By CHRISTINA NG ~ Oct. 7, 2011
(I’m getting tired of their sob story on how the big, bad police are treating them. Where is 10 month old Lisa?) MOO
Now, get a load of this:
Missing Baby’s Family Hopes Calif. Tip Pans OutSub-Heading: Search For 10-Month-Old Lisa Irwin Now In 4th Day
UPDATED: 2:39 pm CDT October 7, 2011
Quote:
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A relative of Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, the parents of the missing Kansas City baby, said the family is hoping a tip from California pays off.
End of Quote
This link goes over the landfill search again, but it does give a better idea of the size of the search.
FBI, Police Search Landfill In Missing Baby Case
Sub-Heading: Investigators Searched Area On Tuesday
UPDATED: 3:02 pm CDT October 7, 2011
Quote:
FBI agents searched a 20-to- 30-acre section of the landfill, but came away with nothing. KMBC’s Peggy Breit reported that the FBI told landfill executives that they were searching for a body.
End of Quote
Another thing I’ll report as a ‘rumor’ because it was something that I read at WebSleuths but did not find a link for–law enforcement have record of a call made from or to the home around 2:30 am on the night Lisa went missing. That is another interesting thing about the supposedly mysteriously missing cell phones–law enforcement can still retrieve their info even without the phones.
I remember an article Dave did on Kyron Hormon that he called: “Oh, Those Pesky Cell Phones!” (IIRC). Well, here is another case where that title is apropos.
Snoop: (Sorry about my above comment being all in italics. I don’t know how that happened.)
This is the latest on baby, Lisa. Now they are searching the backyard with metal detectors.
FBI Moves Baby Lisa Search To Irwin Backyard
FOX 4 Web Staff ~ 3:41 p.m. CDT, October 7, 2011
Quote:
By late afternoon Friday, the search had moved to the Irwin backyard.
Authorities were searching the backyard with metal detectors. There is no word on what investigators are looking for, specifically, with the detectors.
End of Quote
Snoop: Dave’s got a little comment up to let us know he is home and resting. You probably already know, but just in case.
Also, I’m testing this. I don’t know why all my comments are appearing in italics. LOL, but I’m sorry. I’m not doing it on purpose.
Hey Ladies. Hope you all are well, I am still not feeling well. Will someone let Dave know I am thinking about him? Snoopy I hope you enjoy your Thanksgiving this weekend. I will eventually be back to comment more often for now, I am going to rest.
Laurali: I’m glad you dropped in. I’ll let Snoopy pass your message along–but I wanted to let you know that I’m thinking about you, too.
I’m glad you’re resting. That is good.
(I don’t want to hear that you are washing walls, or anything like that.)
Nan, our news at 5″30 p.m. reported the FBI is now re-checking the Defenbaugh Dump yard which is about 25 miles from baby Lisa’s home.. They also stated many areas are be looked at again but did not say why.
The mother bothers me….don’t know why exactly but…
Thanks for the update, Newbie. I think that will be the third time they looked through that dump.
Nothing must have come from the metal detectors in the backyard search–people were suggesting that they were possibly looking for the cell phones.
I think it might be time for some good search dogs.
Hey all, Laureli, nice to read your doing ok.
As to baby Lisa, I don’t have an opinion on her parents or LE. LE often takes off in the wrong direction while the “real” perp walks away. Is there reason why the bedroom window story does not hold up? A person could nab a baby walk down the sidewalk and get into a car. No trace. I find this hard to accept but it has happened in the past with much older children that were able to make noise to warn their parents. So why not an infant?
Yes, I believe LE has probably treated the Mom as a suspect. Right or wrong, it is what they do. It is often difficult to clear your name if you are innocent. The mom is such a crying mess it is difficult for me to think she had anything to do with her daughters disappearance but I have been wrong in the past also.
Snoop: I’m back with another article on baby, Lisa. Not much new here, but a few little tidbits.
KCTV 5 News ~ FBI searches landfill for baby Lisa after dumpster fire near home
Updated: Oct 07, 2011 7:28 PM | By Chris Oberholtz, Multimedia Producer | By DeAnn Smith, Digital Content Manager
Quote:
Joe Vitale, a spokesman for the Kansas City Fire Department, said the dumpster fire was reported at 2:27 a.m. Tuesday. The fire was at an apartment complex at 4897 NE 37th St.The dumpster is less than a half mile from the missing baby’s home.
snipped
The family celebrated the eighth birthday of Irwin’s son on Sunday at the family home. Netz said Lisa was fussy because of a cold but it was a happy day.
End of Quote
Now, I can’t get this video to play for me so I can’t vouch for it’s content–but it’s probably worth a watch:
VIDEO Fox 4 ~ Latest Developments in Missing Northland Baby Case
cali patti….I’m with you on what happened to the story that was first told !!! Nothing about the front door being open, lights on and phones gone. It was just the front door was unlocked but someone came thru the bedroom window and took her.
Nan, that dump site is huge ! The Defenbaugh trash service is a big, big business with numerous trucks in and out. I don’t know how you would find a couple of cell phones.
Newbie: I’m so sorry to type this but I think they might be looking for the baby at the dump site. Earlier they had said that law enforcement were looking in the Irwin’s backyard with metal detectors, so I thought maybe they were looking for the cell phones.
Snoop: Here is a few more links, but then I’ll stop for a while–I promise.
I’m only guessing about this, but I think this video was filmed after law enforcement had been through the home.
ABC News Video ~ Inside Baby Lisa’s Home
Sub Heading: ABC News’ Dan Harris takes you inside the house where Lisa Irwin went missing.
01:51 | 10/07/2011
Quote:
Here is a link to some new pictures of baby, Lisa, taken on Oct. 2/11. Such a sweet, sweet baby.
See New Family Pictures Of 10-Month-Old Lisa Irwin
Nan, I jumped at them looking for cell phones instead of the baby……my Lord, I hope this child is somewhere alive but …..Thanks for being so kind in letting me know they weren’t looking for the cell phones…I do think my mind wants to go into denial state. Too many children and babies being hurt by their parent(s).
Snoop: This is a link from yesterday, but I wanted to add it because it talks about the cell phone call around 2:30 am.
Missing Missouri Infant’s Mother Says Police Told Her She Failed Lie Detector Test
Published October 07, 2011 | FoxNews.com
Quote:
Police said Bradley and Irwin claim three cellphones were also taken from their home. Sources also told the station that a phone call was made from the couple’s home at about 2:30 a.m. Tuesday.
End of Quote
Nan11~~I just read at the link you posted. Here is something that stood out…
Irwin, an electrician, says he returned from work around 4 a.m. Tuesday and discovered Lisa was missing. Bradley says she last checked on the child around 10:30 p.m. and that when Lisa disappeared she was asleep in her bed with her 6-year-old son and a stray kitten they found earlier in the day.
This is the first I heard about a stray kitten being in bed with Lisa. Who lets a kitten sleep with a ten month old baby? I thought Lisa was put to bed in her crib. One other thing I read earlier.. Bradley said she gave Lisa her bottle and put her to sleep with her pacifier and a couple stuffed toys. Do you stick a pacifier in a child’s mouth when she is asleep? I must be from the old school.
Re the phone call made from the Irwin residence at 2:30am…. This may be the clincher. I am still wondering if the police are putting a lot of propaganda out there to baffle the kidnapper. It wouldn’t be the first time. Maybe Bradley DID pass the lie detector test. I cannot see how Bradley can fake her grief. It sure looks real to me . If Lisa is deceased, I would say it was an accident that happened when Bradley was up to no good. JMO
Snoopy, I believe the 6 yr old and kitten were in bed with Bradley, not Lisa.
Snoop & Sherry: There really is some discrepancy there, though. IIRC, Jeremy told the police that when he got home he checked on the boys first, then Lisa. He makes no mention that one of the boys was sleeping with Deborah. In fact, I’m going to check when I have more time, but I’m not sure he said exactly where Deborah was or even that he woke her up.
You’re right, Snoop, the mention of the kitten is just surfacing withing the last day or so. The cell phone call at 2:30 am has not been mentioned by the parents–only LE. Strange that. The fire in the dumpster was approximately at the same time.
Law enforcement have something to support their actions, imo. Certainly Deborah’s tears are real–I hope the reason for her tears is only grief for her missing baby.
I haven’t had time to check any recent interviews that they gave this morning. I don’t dare because real world duties are calling and I can’t put them off. A little later, though….
Regarding the lie detector test that she says police claim she failed- they (LE) are allowed to lie, lie, lie to anyone they suspect or is a POI to them. You just can’t lie to them…
Karen, yes you are so right. The old double standard with LE. Usually I agree with LE but not always. I believe LE goes after what is in front of them not what really happened at times. As to a kitten, no kitten, pacifier, in a crib not in a crib…This is a seasoned Mom. What we do with our first baby is very often different than what we do with our 2nd or 3rd baby. Much more relaxed.
I as a mom would be focused on “where’s my baby” and leave out little details that mean nothing to me.
Possibly the mom or dad willl be the one or one’s who had something to do with missing Lisa.
Possibly the nabber found a family that would look suspious, w/o a lot of resources, easy tarket.
This case is a mess.
Nan, please don’t stop with your great information. You have made my life so much easier in this and other cases.
I adore how you do what you do, OK!!!!
Ok my last post for a time. I watched Nan’s ABC’s interview inside the parents home. WOW, no way did that Mom have anything to do with her daughters disappearance. I do no think Lisa’s mom is worldly enough or has the ability to “act” that well. Her pain radiated from the tv screen. Lisa’s Dad looked so lost and confused. JMO.
I’m glad i watched that ABC video-I was moved by the father putting his arms around his wife. I was wondering about him for a bit there because he didn’t do that before when she cried.
Sherry, I must say that I dont want the parents to be guilty. I am swayed before the facts come in because I want life to be better than parents hurting their children. I need to wait to voice my thoughts. I want to see the best in people. Very often I am wrong.
Snoop: The first link is probably the biggest developement of today. It looks like Lisa’s parents may be interested in talking to law enforcement.
Earlier, it was reported that the couple planned to give an interview with a local affiliate of ‘ABC’, but that was cancelled.
In the 2nd link, CNN has reported that forensic evidence may have been found, but that is not confirmed.
And in the last link, the couple (who will be on ‘Judge Jeanine’, Fox News tonight) are now saying the screen was popped out of the window. I did read somewhere (I’ll keep my eye opened for a link), that law enforcement had ‘cleared’ the window as an entry point and everyone began assuming that the ‘perpetrator’ must have entered and exited through the unlocked front door.
(There are a couple of other things about a ‘teenager’ being interviewed and DNA taken. I’ll look that up and post a link for it, too.)
Police In Contact With Missing Baby’s Parents
Sub-Heading: Search For 10-Month-Old Lisa Irwin Now In 5th Day
UPDATED: 2:11 pm CDT October 8, 2011
Quote:
Police Capt. Steve Young told KMBC-TV that there have been some phone calls, but that investigators have not met with the couple for another formal interview.
Young said that investigators initiated contact with the parents.
End of Quote
CNN ~ Authorities scour neighborhood for missing Missouri baby
By the CNN Wire Staff ~ updated 5:29 PM EST, Sat October 8, 2011
Quote:
Michael Lerette, a family spokesman for the parents of the missing infant, said police collected what could be forensic evidence in the case, but authorities have declined to comment on that claim.
End of Quote
‘Justice with Judge Jeanine – Where is Baby Lisa?’ Tonight at 9p/12a ET on Fox News Channel.
Fox News ~ Sneak Peek: Judge Jeanine’s Exclusive Interview with Baby Lisa’s Parents
by Justice With Judge Jeanine | 9:39 am ET October 8, 2011
Quote:
Deborah responds saying,
“Him [Jeremy] coming in the bedroom saying, ‘Why are the lights on?’ you know, ‘why is the screen popped out of the window?’ Lisa’s bedroom door was open, and we always close it when she goes to sleep at night. He ran back and checked … came in the room and said, ‘Where’s Lisa? Where’s she at?’ I ran back and said, ‘She’s in her crib?’ He said, ‘She’s not there.’ And we got up and started screaming for her and looking everywhere, and she wasn’t there.”
End of Quote
Snoop: This is not such a great link because it has a lot of little (unrelated) pop-up windows; however, I chose it because it does contain a reference to the fact that law enforcement have ‘backed away’ from the ‘window theory’. Also it explains about all we really know of the ‘teenage neighbor’, and it even mentions the ‘California’ search. (I’ve also read that law enforcement are looking through video footage on this ‘tip’–nothing so far, though.)
Anyway, the video at the very bottom even works for me, (and I think it was one I couldn’t watch at one of the other links.)
Right Juris . com ~ New Leads, No Suspects In Missing Baby Lisa Irwin Case
Quote:
Initial reports were that the bay was abducted by using a bedroom window; police later backed away from that theory.
snipped
Authorities have taken a DNA sample from a teenage neighbor who also knew the pass code to her family’s garage, but was not named as a suspect in the case. ABC News also reported that a couple was spotted in California with a baby that looked like missing Lisa Irwin and that authorities were looking into the report.
End of Quote
One more thing that just occurred to me–I wonder if the teenager’s DNA is the ‘forensic evidence’ that CNN is talking about.
I’ll add this link while I’m here. The concerned family are setting up a reward.
Family of missing Missouri baby setting up reward
The Associated Press ~ Saturday, October 8, 2011 6:07 PM EDT
Quote from page 2:
The family announced Saturday they were organizing a reward, hoping it would lead to new information. A family spokesman also said Lisa’s parents would be doing fewer media interviews so focus could stay on their daughter.
snipped
But Allen cautioned against jumping to conclusions, despite the long odds against a stranger abduction.
“Once the spotlight focuses on parental wrongdoing, the public perception is this is a murder. The focus goes away from the little girl and goes to the parent,” he said. “That’s why in these situations, police are doing exactly what they should do, pursuing every lead … If Lisa is out there, we need to do whatever we can to find her.”
End of Quote
Snoop: Me again. I just have a few updates. The first link is one of those sites that keeps refreshing, but right now they are saying law enforcement are sitting down with the parents. Good news!
KMBC ~ Police Interviewing Missing Baby’s Parents
Sub-Heading: Search For 10-Month-Old Lisa Irwin Now In 5th Day
UPDATED: 6:31 pm CDT October 8, 2011
And, I can’t watch this video, but I’ll link it for you. It’s getting some discussion.
Fox 4 Video ~ Missing Baby’s Extended Family Discusses Mom’s Past
I find this a bit interesting also:
Cop Shop: Relatives pray for missing Missouri girl
Published: Thursday, October 06, 2011 | By ROSE QUINN & CINDY SCHARR | Daily Times ~ Serving Delaware County, PA
Quote:
Deborah Netz Bradley, the mother of baby Lisa, is a second cousin to Donna Pretti, an investigator for the Delaware County Medical Examiner’s office, and Eddystone Patrolman Joseph Pretti. Donna and Joe are first cousins.
End of Quote
Snoop: Just a short video on the search law enforcement conducted last night.
MSNBC Today Show (Video) ~ House of Missing 10 Month Old Scoured
Nan11~~I love your cheerful gravatar, very festive. It is 25C here today and not a cloud in the sky. We are breaking all records, weatherwise.
I honestly don’t know what to make of Baby Lisa’s disappearance now. The investigation is going in so many different directions. I do not hold out much hope the baby is still alive but what in gosh happened to her. I will be shocked to learn that her mother harmed her. I just hope we can have some answers soon.
Snoop: Well, it pains me greatly to type this, but I don’t think baby, Lisa, is still with us here on earth.
The only bizarre sineario I can come up with is that the Mom might have stepped out (while hubby worked), and left Lisa with a ‘teenage’ babysitter. From here, I can get to an accident, calling a friend in for help (the 2:30 am phone call), disposal and fire in a dumpster–then Mom comes home, babysitter tells Mom she fell asleep and someone broke in and kidnapped baby–begging her to be kept out of it.
(I’m going with such a convoluted theory, because I’m trying to allow for something Debbie would be trying to keep from the police, but be innocent of harming Lisa.)
What about the boys, though? I think they’re six and eight, (or eight and ten). If they didn’t sleep through eveything, they could know a lot.
Another thing to note–nothing we ‘know’ right now is fact. It could all change.
FYI: WebSleuth’s radio is featuring this case tonight (9:00 pm Atlantic), as well as two other ‘cold’ cases. Their guest regarding baby, Lisa, will be Dr. Glass–talking about the body language of Deborah and Jeremy in their media interviews.
I can post a link–but I’m not sure if you want to listen. (I’m not a big fan of the Dr., either.)
Snoop: This is a video from the ‘Judge Jeanine’ show that aired last night.
Fox News Video: Justice with Judge Jeanine ~ Exclusive: Parents of Missing Baby Lisa Speak Out
Oct 9, 2011 – 4:08
Sub-Heading: Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin sit down with Judge Jeanine Pirro
Nan11~~your scenario about what may have happened to little Lisa makes a lot of sense. It sounds very logical. I think Deborah said that Lisa had a cold. I think 10 months is a bit too old for a ‘crib death’. No, I have a feeling that Lisa is deceased and her mother knows it.
I would love to hear what Dr Glass says about Deborah and her hubby’s body language. Lillian is amusing if nothing else.
Snoop: My heart tells me you are right.
Here is a link for Websleuths Radio–about 47 minutes until show time.
Websleuths Radio/Dr. Lillian Glass/Lisa Irwin Case
Also, if they are still giving time to the cold cases; here are a couple of ‘background’ links for quick review:
True Crime Diary: Terry and Darleen [Anderson]
Date Published 07.15.09 | Murdered October 21, 2005
The Charley Project: Wendy L. Camp [Kamp]
Missing Since May 29, 1992 from Chandler, Oklahoma
Earlier I read where family members of both these cases could be ‘guests’ on the show. I really hope they get some time.
Snoop: Tricia has the chat room working now. I just refreshed and it was there.
Snoop: Did you hang in at the radio show for all the cold cases? Heartbreaking stuff, really.
Nan11~~I played Solitaire at Facebook and listened at Websleuth’s. I wasn’t in the mood to chat tonight. Dr Glass really turned me off. Can you imagine her having a show of her own? This is one person who wont bother to tune into it. There is no way that Deborah was faking that crying. I do not have Dr Glass’ training but even an amateur can see that Deborah has had the heart ripped right out of her. Dr Glass reads ‘bad’ into everything she analyzes. It is the same with the other fellow who does the statement analysis. That was quite a story that last caller phoned in. I think Tricia had a hard time to break in. A back and forth would have been easier to listen to.
Nan11~~it has to be hell when a loved one goes missing and a body is never ever recovered. A person needs closure so they can begin to heal. I guess from what I heard, they feel Conrad Murray will be found guilty. You never know what goes on in the mind of the jurors. After that last fiasco, I shall forever keep my guard up. I will give credit to the jury in Bob Ward’s trial. At least they deliberated. I think we will find that more jurys will not have to be sequestered and a change of venue will become obsolete.
I couldn’t stay for the show either, Snoopy. It broke my heart to hear her bashing Deborah. Then she started bashing Nancy Grace, making fun of her dress mishap, and such. i thought that was pathetic so I left. i got into it with her at her site and i haven’t been back there since.
Its a shame that people, from following Dr. Glass, and Peter Hyatt with his statement analysis, come against these heartbroken parents and falsely accuse them of whatever their idol of people’s words and body language have to say.
Sherry~~I have read at Lillian’s blog but had I commented, I would have got into it with her too. She generally deletes the ones who disagree with her. Glass is so full of herself. I wonder how many pounds of makeup she plasters on every morning. Why doesn’t she go on Dancing with the Stars? She wouldn’t have a nice boob to fall out. At least Nancy is a good sport and does a lot for missing children. Can Glass say that she has actually helped anyone? It was sickening to hear all the praise Glass was getting tonight and I know she was eating it up….the old Crow! LOL
LOL!
I knew a commentor who really admired Dr. Glass but made the mistake of telling her that she was in need of someone to edit her posts and correct her spelling for her. She got jumped on by nearly a dozen commentors and I had had enough of reading them. I told them that a couple of people telling this commentor off was enough-the rest were just jumping on the band wagon. Then I said Dr. Glass must love the attention from her fans since she didn’t put a stop to the gang-up. I told Dr. Glass that this commentor only cared about how it looked for her professionally (which is why she spoke up and she said that in her comment). I ended my last post there with telling her she had a blog full of shallow commentors compared to the one who truly cared-I almost called them brown nosers, lol! Tonight we saw an example of how flattery ruins a person. She came off sounding envious of Nancy. I wondered if they’d had a falling out.
Snoop: I was a little put out by that ‘business’ last night. I’ve heard them go on like that before so I wasn’t surprised, though. (And I honestly did expect it when I heard Dr. Glass was going to be on.) I do believe it’s as much about jealousy as it is anything else. JMO.
I really missed ‘Kimster’. She fields all the good questions from the chat, and I would have loved to have had some of them answered last night, especially in regards to the cold cases. (Only if it wouldn’t have caused the ‘survivors’ any more pain, of course.)
It’s a little early to say this, but I won’t be surprised if the case of 10 month old Lisa Irwin goes cold. Another helpless human being–a child of God–thrown away like she mattered no more than rubbish. I can’t stand it sometimes.
Here is another case of a child missing for 25 years, stolen from his home in the dark of night. The link was given out by a poster at WebSleuth’s–this child is her brother. The similarities to Lisa’s case are striking.
Missing Person, Christopher Enoch Abeyta
I’m still following the Conrad Murray trial, too. I think I believe today, more than I did at the beginning, that the doctor was negligent. As a smoker, I’ll say this–if I die from my habit, will I blame the people who sold me the cigarettes; or will I blame myself for drawing the poison in my body?
Perhaps it’s my age, and perhaps it’s irrelevant, but I believe Mr. Jackson had a drug problem for many years and would have found someone to supply him–if not Conrad Murray, then it would have been someone else. I do understand that it was Dr. Murray’s hands that were doing the deed, but Mr. Jackson was the commander, moo. (I guess that’s why he [Conrad Murray] is charged with manslaughter, not murder in the first degree.)
I admire the way they are doing the trial, though. No hurry–the attorneys are given the time they need to present their case. The jury gets a strong reminder of their duties and are sent home. No whining about the cost, or threats to close down the court for lack of funds. No defense lawyers pandering their case before the media.
In an effort to be fair, I guess I should again point out that the charges aren’t as serious; however, I think Dr. Murray feels them to be plenty serious.
BTW: Here is a YouTube link where we can watch any parts of the trial we miss; (or just want to watch again.): Conrad Murray Trial
(I’m not sure exactly how that link will appear, but if you click on the ‘all videos’ a bar should appear on the bottom where you can select the portion you are looking for. I think I have it set on the ‘statement’ Dr. Murray gave to law enforcement.)
I’ve never had a case matter so much to me as Caylee’s case. I hope I never get that involved again–that one will stick in my ‘craw’ for a long, long time.
Snoop: I just dropped in to add this link for a very pretty young woman, missing from New Glasgow. Gosh, I hope she turns up safe and sound before long.
Amber Kirwan still missing
Published on October 10, 2011
Quote:
On Sunday the police received a report that Kirwan, 19, was missing. She was last seen at Dooley’s New Glasgow at 1:30 a.m. on Sunday morning and has not been seen or heard from since that time. She was reported missing to police at 5.00 p.m. Sunday evening by family. She was last seen wearing dark clothing.
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I’ll just add an update on baby, Lisa. Nothing much new, but early this morning law enforcement were looking for a ‘handyman’ who was known to the neighbourhood but hadn’t been seen since Lisa went missing. They didn’t want to give a picture or anything, in case he wasn’t involved, I suppose.
And, just a few minutes ago, they finished searching behind that red and white house again–for the third or fourth time.
Nan11~~I am surprised the news is out about Amber Kirwan so soon. She is not a minor and normally LE do not issue a missing persons unless that person was mentally challenged or elderly.
My first question…Why wasn’t her boyfriend with her at 1:30 am at Dooleys? I take it that Dooleys is a bar. That was the first thing that caught my attention as I was reading at the link you provided.
I should have added…. thank you so much for providing the link to youtube re Dr Murray’s videos.
Snoop: I wonder if they suspect foul play already? They were searching in the river, I think.
Now, Dooley’s wasn’t really around in my day, however, I do believe it is a combination pool hall and bar. I’ve heard they’re pretty decent places.
Still, why do young women walk alone? If only we could impress upon them that there is safety in numbers.
Apparently, her boyfriend was supposed to meet her at Dooley’s but wasn’t able to make it. Then, she called him to pick her up, and he agreed to meet her at ‘Big Al’s'–I don’t know how far away that is. He says he showed up at Big Al’s but she never did.
I don’t know, I hope she shows up very soon. Alive and well, of course.
Nan11~~I just put a new post up about Amber… I have it catergorized on the Casey Anthony page. It has more in the bit of an article I copied and pasted.
http://mainstreamfair.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/amber-kirwan-n-s-girl-missing/
Nan11~~just since putting up the post about Amber… my stats shot up some fast.. Here are some of the search terms they used… I notice someone typed in Mason Campbell, suspect etc…( some idiot was searching for a headless chicken lol)
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FYI~~ I just rec’d an email from Laura. Her doc got the results of the ultra sound on her belly and wants to see her asap. Laura has some loose ends to tie up for her work and is going to the doc on Wednesday. She wants you all to know that she misses you and will keep in touch.
Laura is in my thoughts and prayers. I miss her, too. {hugs} Laura!~
Laurali: I am sending positive, positive prayers your way. I miss you, too; and will look forward to you dropping in when you can.
I hope you don’t work too hard, or stay too late. Rest if you can, and eat what you can so you keep your strength up.
My thoughts will be with you on Wednesday, in particular.
(((H)))
Snoop: This is one of links where I can’t watch the video, but apparently the police came across a ‘receipt’ and got some video tape from a store that showed Deborah and an ‘unknown’ man buying a box of wine and some paper plates on the day Lisa went missing.
This could be harmless, I suppose. Or, it could be the reason she didn’t pass the poly. Or it could be the person who later took her little baby girl.
Fox 4 ~ Police Review Surveillance Video of Missing Baby’s Mother
9:30 p.m. CDT, October 10, 2011
Nan11~ ~I didn’t think that video was going to play for me either. I waited for a few minutes and the little arrow showed up in the middle and I clicked and it played. It did not show the video surveillance. Could she have left those children alone when she went to the store? The unidentified man with Deborah may be the handyman that disappeared. There is no mention of any children with her in the surveillance video. It is possible that Lisa’s father was home minding the children and it was before he left for work. If not….Deborah may be hauled in again…and cuffed this time. The video showed LE digging in the ground around an old shed and building near the Irwin home…
Edit…time on the receipt at Foods Festival was 5pm and the store is a mile and a half from the Irwins. What time did the father say he left for work?
Snoop: I don’t know if they ever said what time he left for work that day. There was differing reports as to what time he got home that night–early on it was reported that he arrived home around 3:30 am and it was about 4:02 when he call 911, apparently from his ‘work’ phone which he had in his pocket.
Say he worked a 12 hour shift–he could have left for work around 3:00 pm. An eight hour shift would put him leaving around 6:30 pm.
So, it’s hard to say. You could be right about it being the mysterious ‘handyman’, and maybe the ‘babysitter’ that knew the code for the garage was called in to babysit the children until she got back.
We’ll have to wait and see, but law enforcement is not looking like such idiots now. imo
Snoop: This is an interesting article and it contains the other ‘big news’–subpoenas have been issued for all the ‘raw’ footage of the interviews the media did with Lisa’s family. I’m not surprised by this. I thought maybe law enforcement was closely watching all their interviews. To request the actual ‘raw’ footage is a little unusual, though, I think.
The Kansas City Star ~ Clay County grand jury subpoenas TV footage in Lisa Irwin case
By GLENN E. RICE and ROBERT A. CRONKLETON
Quote:
A Clay County grand jury issued subpoenas Monday to all the local network TV affiliates, requesting any raw footage of interviews with missing infant Lisa Irwin’s family, friends or neighbors.
End of Quote
You know, I’m not aware that LE has informed anyone other than the mother that she didn’t pass the poly. And they can do that to put pressure on her, regardless of what the real results were of that. Until they announce that at a press conference I won’t buy that at all. I think a smallish or medium-sized person can easily get into that window- I’ve amazed myself at how easily I can break into my own abodes over the years, and that window didn’t look at all secure. They may be looking for any hangers-ons in the raw footage- someone hinky in the background.
And, I haven’t seen dogs yet- anyone know? If not, why not?
Oh, never mind- I see they used dogs early on. My bad- I couldn’t follow too closely at first because Deborah’s distress was, to me, just so raw and acute. Dang, dogs gave them nothing to work on. This is a stumper…
Snoop: Well, the morning news shows don’t seem to be mentioning the ‘video footage’. It seems the only report of that was last night from Fox 4 News (linked above in comment at 12:51 am).
First, I’m going to link this video with a quote from Marc Klaas at about 1:04 minutes in. I think it says it all, politely.
KCTV5 (Video at Top) ~ Tips Pouring Into Call Center
Quote:
Marc Klaas: You should never put your own personal needs and feelings ahead of the desperate search for your child. In other words–you’ve got policemen, you’ve got FBI; you’ve got search and rescue professionals–out there combing the ground, going through landfills–and you as a parent decide you don’t want to answer any more questions for a while? It’s a big red flag.
End of Quote
Okay, now I’m breathing deeply to remain calm. Here is a report from this morning.
NBC Action News – Police say reports of inevitable arrest in Lisa Irwin case are a ‘stretch’
Posted: 7:10 AM | Last Updated: 58 minutes ago ~ By: Aaron Heintzeiman | Video and Write-up at link
Quote:
A Kansas City police spokesman says claims that the arrest of a missing 10-month-old girl’s mother is inevitable are “a stretch.”
End of Quote
Now, here is the clincher–from an interview that aired on ABC’s Good Morning America. To me and only to me–and this is just my opinion only–Jeremy Irwin’s sister is doing a Cindy Anthony media tour; and ABC, of course, is pleased to be aiding and abetting her.
ABC Good Morning America ~ Missing Baby Lisa: Mother Preparing to be Arrested
By CLAYTON SANDELL (@Clayton_Sandell) and KEVIN DOLAK ~ Oct. 11, 2011
Quote:
“It’s what the police do,” Ashley Irwin said. “They don’t have any leads so they just have to pin it on somebody.”
End of Quote
Again, MOO.
Snoop: I’m really glad that so many people are following her case. It’s so hard to get news on it.
I hope some new readers drop in to share their thoughs and prayers for Amber.
In regard to Lisa Irwin, a property one-half mile from the Irwin home is being searched. There is a well on the property and they just lowered a man into the well.
The vacant property search where the well is was being searched based on a tip. The well is under a back deck or porch and is twenty to thirty foot deep.
Now it is being reported the search is being done because of detectives noticing the vacant property and finding the well. Not from a tip.
The person who went down into the well is now out. Waiting for the report of what he found. Hopefully nothing !
Newbie: Thanks for the thumbs up on that. Here is a link where we can watch:
KMBC ~ Live Blog: Search Continues For Missing 10-Month Old LIVE 2637 watchers
Newbie: A truck has arrived at the well to pump water out. This is kind of making me hold my breath.
A second man has been sent down into the well. The tv station is not reporting a thing yet !
Nan, now it is reported the search is based on a tip ! Praying the end of the search is not at a well !!!!!
Action News states the police are to brief them in the next hour. They also reported the property they are searching is used by homeless persons.
Newbie: I’ll add my prayers to yours.
It seems that the following article may explain why they got so interested in this ‘tip’: one of the firefighters thought he felt something.
The Kansas City Star ~ Northland well being searched as part of baby Irwin case
By ROBERT A. CRONKLETON, GLENN E. RICE and BRIAN BURNES
Quote:
Workers set up a tripod and other equipment on the deck before lowering a firefighter into the well at 11:11 a.m. The firefighter reported feeling something but wasn’t sure what. Firefighters lowered a different person into the well at 11:45 a.
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Also, some news stations are reporting it is a ‘cistern’ as opposed to a well or septic tank.
Looks like an awful lot of personnel & equipment being allocated here… Maybe they’re putting more stock in the sighting of a man carrying a baby in a diaper down the street…
It looks like the search is over. If they found something down there, at least it wasn’t the baby.
Yep Nan, no baby !! Whew !
Hi folks…. I was tied up half the day getting ‘new wheels’ …for my mode of transport so I am just getting caught up while eating my supper in front of this monitor…. I see you had some action in Baby Lisa’s case.
Thank God there wasn’t anything in the well. Just watched our news and they say there are plenty of tips and that the interviews regarding Baby Lisa are being reviewed by police..
So are you dangerous with your new wheels???
Newbie~~~varooooooom My bank account took quite a nose dive.
I watched the last hour of the Dr Murray trial and it was some boring. That old gray haired attorney doing the cross exams drives me bonkers.
Snoops: I so surprised right now. Nancy made it through. I really thought she was going home tonight–but nope she’ll be back next week.
I’m happy about it. Chaz made it through, too. Yeah!
Snoops: I watched some of the trial, (in between following the search for Lisa). There were some moments that I thought were pretty good. Before the Bob Ward trial, I had never heard about drugs bleeding out in your system after death; and, therefore, showing incorrect high levels in your blood.
I was somewhat fascinated today when they started talking about that again.
Take care with those new wheels. You never know now-a-days if they got all the bolts on nice and tight–or if they got bored half way through the job and lost their concentration.
Varoooom…..Nan has a great point..make sure the nutd and bolts are nice and tight before you start peeling out !!!
Update on Baby Lisa:
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Irwin-family-seeks-assistance-from-private-investigator
It was also reported the mother Deborah and a man were at a local store buying baby clothes, diapers and wine. This was about 5:30 p.m. the eve before Lisa was reportef missing.
Yep…tighten those nutd….they’re special. hmmmmm…nuts.
Newbie: I heard about that but they seem to be keeping that pretty quite. I think it was on Nancy Grace tonight that they said she also bought baby food, (and I think there was one more thing added to the list.)
IIRC, I think they also said that Ashley, Jeremy sister, wouldn’t comment on that developement when she was on Good Moring America this morning.
I see a Private Investigator has been hired by the Irwin family. Of course, he knows law enforcement won’t share information with him, but he will share anything and everything with them.
I wonder who is paying him–the media? I also noticed their t-shirts all say “KIDNAPPED” above Lisa’s picture.
I thought the family had hired the investigator. Being positive, maybe the money they received from their appearance on Good Morning America and elsewhere is being used to pay the investigator. I have a feeling the investigator is more a spokesman for the family than anything else.
I just wish Baby Lisa would be found and returned to her family…..dreaming on my part more than likely.
Night Snoops.
Here is the article about the investigator~
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/Irwin-family-seeks-assistance-from-private-investigator
There’s a smaller video box at the end of the report with an msnbc clip of him tooting his own horn (not meaning any snark there)
Also, there is a main page here on the stories nbcactionnews has covered here:
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/Lisa-Irwin-AMBER-Alert
Great comments in here ladies! Well we have a private investigator on board and the t-shirts. The PI said there was a ‘bad guy’ out there. Would that be the handyman who took off when Lisa went missing? Would he have been the same man shopping at Food Festival with Deborah?
I am watching the Dr Murray trial and it is good today.
Snoop: Well, I think we can rule out the man shopping at the store with Deborah. Law enforcement have released the video and say he was a ‘neighbour’ who gave her a drive there. No word on where the kids were, or if Jeremey was already at work.
Here is the link to the store video:
Surveillance video shows Lisa Irwin’s mother out shopping the night of disappearance
Quote:
Police investigated and discovered the man was a neighbor who gave Bradley a ride to the grocery store.
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Police are searching more wooded areas this afternoon.
I don’t know what the PI is doing. It is reported he is not licensed for the area–New York license, IIRC.
FYI: I’m catching some of the trial, too. It’s combative–but it is interesting.
Hey Ladies back from the Doctor. My hemoglobin levels were high, white blood count levels high and a “unusual” half dollar size spot on the liver. I am going for a cat scan asap and to see a surgeon directly after that. I know nothing else other than my weight is down a few more pounds since the e.r. visit. My doctor gave me some medicine to help with that though.
Snoopy ~ I have not watched any of Dr. M’s trial what do you think is going to happen? As far as baby Lisa goes I am not sure what to think about the whole situation. I am a little bitter since Caylee. It is hard to trust anyone since Caylee’s whole family basically turned their backs on her. I hope baby Lisa’s parents had nothing to do with her disappearance. jmo
CT~ Friday. Monday Surgeon. They just called me with schedule.
Hey back at ya, Laurali: I’ve been thinking about you all day. I was so pleased to see your gravatar.
I think it’s best to just take it one day at a time. An ‘unusual’ spot, might be just that.
Are you still jogging regularly? Maybe just cut back on that a little bit, if you are. (And keep your fluids up, very important.)
Okay, punch me in the snout for being bossy.
Nan yep I still jog/run. Not daily but usually 4 to 5 times per week. I am trying to drink a little more because food is not really staying down so well. About 8 years a go my mother had to have half of her liver removed due to a cancer scare. I hope I just need a biopsy. I am not into surgery. More because I am worried about who will do the chores while I am in the hospital! :/ Yes that is truly my concern. Maybe I need a shrink! lol
Laura, forget the shrink, you have shrunk enough. Think positive. Liver lesions don’t always mean doom and gloom~ SS
Thanks for letting us know what is up, Laurali~
I’ll keep you in my prayers. Now, mind what nan11 said-cuz we loves ya!
Laura~~thanks for coming in with the update. It is best to get that spot taken care of. Maybe the surgeon will do a biopsy and analyze it to see what is going on. Your weight loss is due to not eating as you said that you were sick to the stomach quite a bit. I hope you can keep some nourishment in you. I realize that you do not eat meat or eggs which are full of protein. How about some baked beans or peanut butter, both of which are good for you protein wise. The white cells being elevated would be a concern for your doc to get you looked at asap.
I think Dr Conrad Murray will be found guilty of negligent manslaugter. From what I have listened to, Dr Murray was busy talking to his girlfriends and should have been attending to Michael, especially since he administered the drug propofol to him. That drug should only be given at a hospital. One other thing, had 911 been called immediately, Michael may be alive today.
Snoop: It appears a little more news has surfaced on the ‘handyman’.
NBC Action News ~ Investigators in Lisa Irwin case search wooded area near her home and continue to knock on doors
Posted: 12:10 PM | Last Updated: 44 minutes ago ~ By: Aaron Heintzelman
Quote:
They also added that police were referencing a photograph of the man calling him a handyman.
The owner of the bar spoke off-camera and confirmed he knows the man who was a patron at his establishment. The owner last saw him on Oct. 1 when he kicked the man out of the bar for being drunk.
End of Quote
Nan11~~I am glad that surveillance video has been ruled out. I wonder if Deborah had a driver’s licence or maybe they only had one vehicle at that household. Now who was baby sitting the kids when Deborah was out shopping and where did the handyman disappear to?
Laurali: LOL Me thinks you are just being a very good mother who is more worried about her young than herself.
I’d like to see you stick to jogging three days a week. That should maintain your physical fitness, but not contribute to weight loss.
You might be very proud of your girls and what they would be willing to do for you. Yep, even chores without a reminder.
Even if things are not exactly the way you like for a little while–you can catch that all up once you are well.
Snoops: I never read anything about whether or not Deborah has a driver’s license. I must have missed it–I’m sure it’s been discussed.
Another thing we don’t really know much about yet, either, is the teenage neighbour. The police apparently took her DNA. At least, I don’t think that is just a rumor.
Still, I find this discouraging. I’ve really lost hope that she is alive. The who and the why of it, I don’t know; but I don’t think we’ll see this little one again. MOO, of course–and I would love to be wrong.
Nan11~~ why would anyone steal a 10 month old baby? The poor little thing had a cold. I don’t know why it keeps crossing my mind that there may have been an accidental death, possibly while the baby sitter was there. I also wonder if Deborah was much of a drinker.
I also wish that they can locate this handyman who disappeared around the same time Baby Lisa did. If he listens to the news and is innocent of any wrongdoing, he should return and clear up any suspicions.
I found this article rather interesting and unsettling.
http://news.yahoo.com/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-inconsistencies-piling-174800193.html.
Newbie~~thanks for that link. Things are not adding up and I wonder how much wine Deborah drank before sleeping so soundly. The sick baby would have slept in my bed not the other child and a stray cat. It is taking time but I think pieces of the truth will gradually surface. I do don’t hold out much hope for that darling baby to still be alive.
Snoops: Here are links to a couple of new videos on baby, Lisa’s, case. They confirm that the ‘unknown’ man accompanying Deborah in the ‘wine’ video is her 20 year old brother. (Note–this is not the same man as the ‘unidentified handyman’. The ABC video has a short clip of a conversation that occurred right after the 911 call (police dispatcher’s voice only) , and the MSNBC video mentions that Lisa’s mother does not have a driver’s license.
Apparently, the ‘high-powered’ lawyers are on their way; and their PI (paid for by an anonymous source, of course) is assembling his own investigative team.
ABC News VIDEO ~ Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: 911 and Surveillance Tape
Sub-Heading: Tapes obtained by ABC News might shed light on what happened to the girl.
02:09 | 10/13/2011
MSNBC Today Show ~ Surveillance Video Yields No Clues In Missing Baby Case
October 13, 2011
Nan11~~why do Deborah and Jeremy need two high powered lawyers? I can understand the private investigator. It seems, like in that other case, lawyers are jumping on the band wagon. I wonder how law enforcement feels about a PI getting involved.
I noticed that there are a couple of new posts up about José Baez being up before the Bar Assoc with a couple more complaints.
Snoops: Your asked: Why do Deborah and Jeremy need two high powered lawyers? Good question–personally, I think they need to find their daughter.
Yep, I heard that (re: your comment of 12:13 pm.) The Sentinel ran one article on it. (I didn’t even bother reading it–just some comments.)
Before I cheer to loud, I’ll wait until we know more. (Andrea did a good blog on this topic, if you haven’t seen it yet.)
Snoops: One more thing–I don’t think law enforcement gives two hoots about their private investigator and his team. If he gets too cute, he will feel their wrath. MOO, of course.
Snoops: Get ready to have your breath taken away. I’m going to add a link with four short videos of Baby Lisa. They are absolutely precious. The two middle ones are really short, but #1 and #4 are good lengths.
They’re nice normal videos, too. You can hear Deborah talking to Lisa and everything seems so normal and happy.
Prayers for beautiful, perfect, innocent Baby Lisa. Who took you, sweetheart?
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old
This is a constantly updating link, so watch them as soon as you can–as I don’t know how long they will stay there. (I’m sure they will be on YouTube, if they’re not already.)
Just scroll down a little ways and you will see them.
Nan11~~Lisa looks well taken care of in those videos. I noticed the interaction between Deborah and Lisa. Remember that ‘other’ one took videos of Caylee and never said a word. It goes to show the different between a loving mother and a psychopath who is now free. Deborah seems to be a caring mother and grief stricken. This is why I wonder if there was an unfortunate accident somehow.
Morning, Just thinking that the parents do need attorneys. The manner in which LE has “leaked” information it seems to me LE is zeroed in on the Mom. I do believe this was a abduction. It would be so easy to nab a young child if emotions were not involved. Snatch & grab & run & hide. If baby Lisa is alive then a family member of the kidnapper will need to turn them in.
I would not bet money on my theory but for me it works.
Baby Lisa Irwin: $100,000 Reward Offered
Wealthy anonymous benefactors today offered a $100,000 reward for the safe return of missing Missouri infant Lisa Irwin or conviction of whoever took the little girl.
The reward was announced by private investigator Bill Stanton who said the anonymous donors have a relationship with the family and do not want to detract attention from the case with their identities.
“I hope this opens up someone’s heart or someone’s eyes and they realize this is serious and we can get Lisa home safe and sound,” Stanton said.
The reward is for the “safe return and/or conviction of a person or persons involved in this horrible crime.
Read more here…
http://abcnews.go.com/US/baby-lisa-irwin-100000-reward-offered/story?id=14737687
I’m in the cafe’ … you were called an old turnip, really? That’s funny to me today. I am sorry but of all the name calling in the last few years that is hilarious. Ok I am bad girl so…?
Cali Patti ~ ~I took the ‘old turnip’ to be a compliment. If you knew whose mouth it came out of, you would know why I said that. That person did not like being in moderation so she came back using her husband’s name and called me the turnip. She lives very handy to where Amber went missing. She also used to comment a lot at babs….ahem!
I saw those comments!
I knew those two comments under two different names were the same person and the tone sounded familiar. I’d humble the person myself and tell her to go ahead and get her info elsewhere.
ok.. I sort of thought you took “old turnip” as a hoot or compliment. You just did not sound ticked off. There are worse things than being a called a turnip. “Old” is happening to me as we speak, so what!
Sherry, you are better than me at reading people, I did not “see” the similarities at first.
If your a turnip I want to be a squash or beet!
I get dibs on being a radish!~
Sherry~~for the life of me, I cannot understand how you are able to see the comments that come into my blog. How can that be possible if you do not have my password? I believe you when you say that you see them. Do they come to your gmail account?
Yes, they come to my gmail account. One of those comments was rather vindictive and posted in the Visual Learning page. Maybe its because i’m a WP blogger? I dunno. I still see things i shouldn’t from Dave’s blog when i get response in the mail. Good thing I am trustworthy and plain ol’ not interested in contacting anyone who comments there save you.
Sherry~ ~That comment in Visual Learning was from EastcoastDeb. She just used her hubby’s name. She put a comment in another post too besides the Amber post. Another question, do you just get the comments that are in my moderation and spam or do you get all the comments that show up here in your email account? I have a gmail account for this blog and I think that is how you end up with them. I don’t think Dave had a gmail acct for his blog but am not totally sure.
Good morning, merry sunshine!
I bet that’s how I get even the rejected comments-gmail. I received a spam comment once by mfm at one of the blogs that I am subscribed to. But I do get your yet-to-be-approved comments, like ecd’s and Wally’s. I see she still acts juvenille, lol!
Hmmm, sounds like cross pollination to me. Maybe mixing or combining a turnip and a radish.
Police: “Jersey” Taken Into Custody in Unrelated Federal Warrant
A handyman known as “Jersey,” who was wanted for questioning in connection to the Baby Lisa case, was arrested on an unrelated federal warrant.
Johnny Tanko, known in the press as “Jersey,” was taken into custody on Saturday. There is no word on the nature of the federal felony warrant, or where he was arrested.
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lisa-irwin-handyman-jersey-arrested-on-unrelated-federal-warrant-20111015,0,6040126.story
“Jersey,” man sought for questioning in Lisa Irwin case, in police custody
Police have found soiled diapers at and abandoned home about four blocks away from Lisa Irwin’s home, and have set up crime scene tape around the home. Inside the home they have found soiled diapers, a Scooby Doo backpack and food.
Meanwhile a “handyman” nicknamed “Jersey” from Lisa Irwin’s neighborhood, who police sought for questioning earlier this week, is in police custody according to Kansas City, Mo. Public Information Officer Capt. Steve Young.
He was arrested on an unrelated outstanding warrant.
Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/%22jersey%2C%22-man-sought-for-questioning-in-lisa-irwin-case%2C-in-police-custody#ixzz1aulS9wYA
Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/%22jersey%2C%22-man-sought-for-questioning-in-lisa-irwin-case%2C-in-police-custody#ixzz1aulFDM00
Sherry~ ~ thanks so much for posting that info. I have been wondering about the handyman. Someone said that he disappeared around the same time Lisa went missing. Hmmm….
I do hope the “passer by” who found the Scooby doo bag and diapers and called the police did not try to setup a crime scene in order to collect the $100,000 reward.
The crime scene investigators are to be at the site now.
On the live blog it was reported that the National Guard is coming in for a day to help search for Lisa.
They are reporting it does not appear the vacant house with the baby items is connected to the Baby Lisa case. The crime scene investigators are going to go ahead at the vacant house just because it is the right thing to do…..darn…..
Sherry, you have any additional info?
The latest info I’m getting is that the diapers have been there in the basement for a long time.
Capt. Steve Young: “It just doesn’t fit”
by Brian Foster – KMBC.com 9:06 PM
Capt. Steve Young: Diapers have been there a very long time
by Brian Foster – KMBC.com 9:06 PM
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Capt. Steve Young: Based on initial observations, “nothing we’re excited about”
by Brian Foster – KMBC.com 9:06 PM
Capt. Steve Young: Diapers were found in basement of house
by Brian Foster – KMBC.com 9:06 PM
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1auGcLC4o
Police say they are going to bring crime scene investigators in…but they are not excited about the discovery. The diapers had been there for some time.
by Brian Foster – KMBC.com 9:09 PM
RussPtacek Russ Ptacek
#babylisa. KCMO police say diapers in abandoned house are not likely connected – crime scene eatablished as routine. @NBCActionNews
Newbie, it was reported that the diapers were fresh and now they say not. Maybe the LE wants to quiet things down so as not to alert or alarm the perpetrator. IDK~
I’m praying for this to be resolved quickly and that Lisa comes home safe and sound.
My heart was in my throat when it was reported as a break in the case and now, what a let-down. I can’t imagine what her parents were feeling !
Yes, yes, yes. Many prayers for this child to soon be back with her family unharmed !!!!!!
Newbie, Judge Jenine Pirro has her show on Lisa Irwin. It was recorded earlier. Its on FOXNews.
Forgot to say that its on now.
Darn it, Fox is running “after talk” about the baseball game….maybe the show will just start late.
1139th Military Police unit will provide 25 of their experienced persons to assist ……arriving in KC Mo. tomorrow and then waiting to receive instructions from KC Mo. police and FBI.
Fox news stated the handyman “Jersey” will be interviewed do to his being in the area a lot of the time and possibly having seen or heard something…..not interviewing him as a suspect.
Hah! I have it on and am not getting to watch it! Answering emails takes my focus off of it. Hopefully it will be online by tomorrow.
They keep thinking that someone came in the front door then made it look like they came through the screen. I say they came through the screen and unlocked the front door. But the dog not barking when it normally would is a puzzler. My neighbor got robbed and his dog didn’t bark.
They are making good points on the show from what I’ve been hearing of it. I just can’t believe these parents had anything to do with it.
Kansas City Missouri Police say that a man found the backpack containing diapers and baby wipes near the vacant home in the 3900 block of Chouteau Trafficway on Saturday. Diapers were also found in a wooded area across the street from the house.
According to at least one report, the diapers were soiled.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/16/police-investigate-new-lead-in-case-missing-baby-lisa-irwin/#ixzz1ay0HOgeZ
The national guard is searching the area. Believe me, they have their work cut out for them. The area around where they are searching is heavily wooded. I have a friend who lives just off parvin road, very near the search area. I pray that someone took Lisa and she is safe, but the fact that they are searching this area leads me to believe they are looking for remains. I would love to drive by the area, it is only about forty minutes from here, but my guess is they have plenty of drive by traffic. I’ll call my friend later this afternoon (she is a nurse on a graveyard shift, so I don’t want to wake her), and see if she has heard anything new.
I figured that search area must be some rough terrain that ordinary searchers would not be able to safely search. To call out the NG must mean there was extremely good reason.
I’m still trying to be hopeful she’s alive. If you wanted a sweet little Caucasian girl baby to pass off as your own, she’d be it. This Mom is so different from what we saw before with the skank in both her actions and demeanor, I’d have a very hard time wrapping my head around her doing harm to this child. All the pics and video shown shows a very loving (albeit rather extended and less than ideal) family situation, with a lot of support.
It really irks me to hear these “experts” yammering away, even saying Deborah has a flat effect- HUH??!! What do they think they are seeing I’m not? One on NG was going on about how the baby didn’t have toys in the room- the NG producers promptly put pics up of- wait for it- all the toys in the room! Look how much has been made of every itty-bitty quibble in this case- the “mystery man” who turned out to be her own brother for pity’s sake. A lot of people are likely to have egg all over their smug faces at the end of this one. I just hope she turns up safe in some deluded lady’s arms, maybe with her hair changed or boy clothes on, and soon.
I’m with you, Karen C., about all the suspicions being forced on every little nuance. Its disgusting. And there are blog owners out there comparing this case to the Felon Anthony case! Ugh!
What I want to know, Sherry, is who exactly knew that the father was working the night shift for the first time just then… he doesn’t seem particularly chatty to me, but she sure is. Can’t help but think that someone in their general circle of acquaintances knew this too….
If the National Guard is being called in to search for Baby Lisa’s remains, then LE must suspect an abduction by a child predator.
I know. Sigh. That’s the thing I’m really afraid of, too, Snoopy. Just hoping that the “crazy-lonely-lady-who-wants-to-be-a-Mom” is the one it turns out to be….
Someone had to know the lay out of the Irwin home and that a baby lived in that house. People just don’t go randomly peeking in windows and trying doors to access a home and look for a child to steal. Someone mentioned the Irwins had a yard sale at their home a week or two prior to Lisa going missing. Now that they have Jersey in custody on unrelated charges, it would be the perfect time to find some evidence to pin him to her disappearance. This is the only substantial lead that they have had to date so why not go the all out route. This handman was using a nickname as he was avoiding a warrant out for his arrest. This goes to show he is not just a poor guy looking for odd jobs to pay his way across the country.
Whoever is trying to compare this case to the Anthonys needs to get a life. I saw real emotion on Bradley’s face compared to smirks on that other bitch.
I have not followed much of this case but I will say this, so what if the baby didn’t have a lot of toys! When my girls were little they loved the boxes the toys came in more than they loved the toy. Baby Lisa’s mom seemed really upset when I watched a taped interview/news conference. jmo
Have you all’ heard about the “E” news special next Wednesday?
She’s back … !
Evening all. Rumor has it that mom failed a polygraph.
Vicky~ ~ Yes, the mom admitted that LE told her she failed the polygraph. If you had seen how distraught she was, I can certainly understand that the poly machine would not have registered accurately. Bradley was an emotional wreck.
Hi Snoopy, I am not convinced she had anything to do with Lisa’s disappearance, but I don’t think she is being completely honest about what she was up to that night. My friend says that most of the people in the neighborhood say that she is a good mom, and the teachers at the older kid’s school say they have never noticed anything that would indicate any abuse concerns.
By the way, she failed more than one examination.
Laura~~can you share any info here about your doc’s visit on Friday? If not, an email would be welcomed.
When my oldest had her first Christmas and got some nice toys, she ended up playing with a wooden spoon and a little pot from my cupboard. Kids are so precious. A room full of toys does not represent love. Just look at Caylee’s room. She probably preferred making mud pies out in the backyard or playing in the wading pool with her little water bucket. Now you know why I seldom watch NG and JVM along with a few other shows.
Cali Patti~ ~what ‘E’ news special and who is back? Do not leave us dangling like this.
Vicky~~I never heard that Bradley failed more than one test. She purchased some wine when she was shopping with her brother so maybe she had a few too many sips and her recollection of that night when she put Lisa to bed is a bit hazy. This is all speculation on my part.
The people in the local area have heard that she was given an additional examination, and failed it as well. Of course, it is just a rumor at this point, but supposedly it came from a reliable source.
Btw, the e news special is about Casey Anthony.
Snoopy~ Friday I had the CT scan. I had to drink a nasty lemonade and then they hooked me up with an iv drip. Not sure why the torture but I am sure they had their reasons. I see a surgeon tomorrow morning. My Doc called this evening and said the area is a little larger than she thought it to be. I know I am going to be having a biopsy very soon but from what I gathered I will be staying a couple of days if not longer because they may remove part of the liver. Holy chit. I am a nervous wreck. I am only focusing on the home not thinking about what could be going on because I may have a massive heart attack. It is easier to think about the girls not keeping my house spotless. :/
Laura~~to hell with keeping your house spotless and take care of your innards. Geez, give the poor dust bunnies a break and let them come out of hiding. Little lady, you best get your priorities straight… some things like dusty rooms can be replaced….livers are very hard to replace. I feel like shaking you at times…. It is hard being your cyber granny when you never listen to me. Argggggggggggh.
Snoopy~ you miss understood me. I am trying not to freak the hell out so instead of worrying about me I am thinking about my girls not taking care of the dust bunnies. I am going to do whatever I have to for my health. I am just trying to focus on other things so I don’t stress so much I kill over from a heart attack. If you must shake someone start with Vicky! I am hiding behind her.
Laurali: I think you’ve hit on a good idea! Dust bunnies are nasty little critters that need to be abolished. With enough effort, we can sometimes control them.
Seriously, I’m aching for you. If my prayers will help, you will certainly have them.
(I’ve read that our own bodies can do amazing things with our liver. If they have to take a little piece out, our bodies can do some restoration work on their own, afterwards.)
Good grief Laura! I had no idea you were undergoing tests. I’ve been out of the loop. If you need anything at all, call me! Same with the girls. Hire a housekeeper to deal with the darn dust bunnies. The girls need to be taking care of you, not the house. If you need someone to hold your hand, let me know. I’ll be there in a flash!
By the way Miss Laura, I can speak from recent experience here, after a month without dusting, I was able to capture all of my dust bunnies in less than a day. Some were fairly illusive, but my swiffer took care of them in short order. You’ll be home in plenty of time to point out the little critters to the girls. All you need to do, is arm them with a dust mop, a swiffer, a dust rag and a can of pledge.
Also, if you don’t mind granny snoopy, I’ll be forced to turn you over to her for proper discipline.
While granny worries about a lesion on a liver, the g/dtr worries about some out of place dust bunnies. Lord have mercy on me!
Thank you Vicky, trust me I will remember the offer.
Snoopy if you come back here before you fall asleep I am sorry that I did not explain myself better. I am very concerned and I will do whatever they tell me to do. I am now working everything around my appointments. This is everything I know : Spot on liver, high white blood count, high hemoglobin, and 1 swollen lymph node. Tomorrow at 10 a.m. I meet with surgeon and what ever he says I will do. I am all my girls have, trust me I am terrified but I do not want to focus on me. That is very scary at the moment so I focus on my chores. My work. My girls. Everything but what is wrong.
You all are my go to gals. You keep me focused on doing what I should do instead of running scared you make me strong enough to face it. I think I have ignored myself long enough. While taking care of my grandfather I ignored some things I probably should not have. Now it has my attention. I am going to try and get some sleep I will update you all sometime tomorrow. Good night!
Laura ~~you know that I tend to make light of things. I do the same with Dave. You have every right to be scared to death. Dave said he is terrified of what he may be told tomorrow. We all fear that damn ‘C’ word. You both hold a special spot in my heart. Big hugs going out to you, young lady, and you will be, once again, in tonight’s prayers. xoxo
You have my prayers, too, laurali. Love ya bunches, kiddo~
Laurali- The liver is one amazing organ. I know folks who have ’bout destroyed theirs, but it will often come roaring back given half a chance. Great good luck to both you and Dave….
Oh, and I just saw this: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-17/missing-baby-mom-drunk/50801324/1
So, was she drunk first, came in the house, and forgot to lock the door and left the lights on? So, she came home, got drunk with Bro (or whomever), and ditto? And Bro or Whomever just left the door unlocked and lights on, not feeling the place was “theirs” to do such things as turning lights out, etc. with, when she stumbled (passed out) in bed?? So, is the Perp Bro or Whomever? Or Stranger (who happens to know Dad is on 3rd shift that night and that Mom is passed out!!??) So, the Perp tried the window first, too difficult, then thought to check door (assuming not one of the aforementioned?), and Viola!
There must be a reason she doesn’t want the boys to talk to LE….
DANG.
Karen~~it seems my specualtion, upthread, was close to the truth. I still think that the baby’s death may have been accidental due to Bradley being so drunk. Eventually we may get pieces of the truth. Maybe she invited that handyman in to have a few drinks with her.
Snoops: Oh dear! Wait until Nancy surfaces from ‘Dancing With the Stars’. The ‘bombshells’ will fly.
They say the full interview was 45 minutes, but they have posted one that’s about eight minutes in length. Scroll to the bottom of the article for that one. There are a couple of shorter videos at the top.
NBC Action News: (Videos at link) Lisa Irwin’s mother says she was drunk the night her daughter disappeared
Sub-Heading: Now says Lisa was put to bed about 6:30 p.m
Posted: 4:48 AM ~ Last Updated: 18 minutes ago ~ By: Aaron Heintzelman
Apparently, she was drinking with the neighbour. {sigh} I don’t want to judge this woman, really I don’t.
I’m confused about what time she went to bed. Do you suppose she was in a ‘black out’ state?
This from AP: “She also said her two sons, aged 6 and 8, say they heard noises the night Lisa disappeared, although she doesn’t know if they heard noises before they went to sleep or later in the night and she doesn’t want them to be involved in the investigation.
“I have not sat down and talked to them about it, specifically to not have to put them through anything else,” she said.”
Say, WHAT? Seriously, read that last bit again. Her baby is GONE (and very possibly raped and murdered) and she’s not questioning them herself? Never mind the cops, I’d have those kids sat down with a kiddie shrink, hypnotized by a therapist, shot up with truth serum, whatever, to find any little bit of info that could help in this. I am officially flummoxed here.
Karen C.: I would, too. In a heartbeat. To me it sort of goes like this–she was so drunk and irresponsible that she doesn’t remember much about the evening her baby daughter was kidnapped. However, she is suddenly such a protective mother that she doesn’t want them interview (by professionals, of course) concerning any info they might have concerning their baby sister’s disappearance.
I’m sorry for her, but I think she is still holding some major parts back.
Here is a link to a ‘sneak peak’ at an interview Deborah gave to Megyn Kelly, Fox News.
Fox News ~ SNEAK PEEK: Lisa Irwin’s Mom Reveals to Megyn Kelly She Was Drunk the Night Baby Vanished
Oct 17, 2011 – 5:58
Nan11- Thank you so much for that link. It’s a Goodie.
Two things right off the bat- So, now we hear that the family dog was in the back (not on the front porch)? And going with that bit, there’s a barking dog next door too, but- shades of Sherlock Holmes- neither dog apparently barked in the night.
Also- none of the three cell phones taken could call out- blocked for non-payment of bills! So, what is she doing buying any wine at all? I had assumed that maybe the reason she bought the wine, napkins and paper plates on a separate receipt from the baby things purchases was because she was either- A) buying for her underage Bro who might be having a party for whatever reason (not the gravest of sins), or- B) purchasing for some group, church organization, former co-workers, whatever, to have a receipt for tax purposes.
Now, we find out she was drinking with a female neighbor. That indicates to me that she does not want Daddy to know she’s using precious financial resources to drink with! She can show him the “innocent” receipt of the baby purchases…
Snoopy, I have Ann-Tx wanting to know what happened to Simon’s show on Sundays? Do you know what is up? Thanks!
Okay Ladies just back from surgeon. The plan is a biopsy tomorrow. I should be home tomorrow night BUT sometimes once the needle goes in bleeding could be issue so I may need to stay longer. Have to check in at 10:30 biopsy at 12:30 released by 8 tomorrow night. So fingers crossed we will be chatting tomorrow evening sometime. They already sent me for lab work today so tomorrow should go somewhat quickly.
IMO when you have 3 small children at home and you are in charge of them it is wreck-less to be drunk. Disaster waiting to happen. Again just my opinion.
“E” news, Hollywood spotlight on Wed. Mizzanthony will be featured.
Laurali: Your opinion and mine, in that regard, is one and the same.
Thanks for dropping in. I had you firmly on my mind (and in my prayers.)
I will be looking forward to chatting with you tomorrow evening. You are one awesome lady.
ITA, Laurali!
It seems she may have a drinking problem-she makes too much light of it. Like she doesn’t realize how serious this is.
I, too, will be thinking about you and praying for you as you go through this time in your life. Hopefully. it will be just a little blip and you will be fine by the end of this week having nothing but good news.
KMBC’s Brenda Washington reports that police and the FBI have shut down the block where Jeremy Irwin’s relatives live.
by Karen Yancey 10:43 AM
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1b3keffUY
Whoa, Sherry. Not good at all. Say Hi to Ann-Tx for me, will you? I always looked forward to her comments and links on THM, before all that nastiness occurred. She and I were interested in a lot of the same cases. Ah, well. Don’t radio hosts usually have someone cover for them, if they’re gone on vaca, etc.?
Laurali- Prayers to you, as well as Dave, during all this.
Commentators on that KMBC link are stating Mom was on Lexapro too….
FYI~~Great News… Dave just called as he left the doc’s office…NO cancer cells detected in the lung biopsy….Thank You God!
Snoops: Oh that is great news. Wowzers!! He must be thrilled. ┌( ಠ‿ಠ)┘
Sherry~~tell Ann-Tx that I have no idea why Simon hasn’t had his show on. Maybe he doesn’t have a case to discuss. I thought Jan was interested in the Susan Powell case but maybe the guest panelists and Simon aren’t.
Snoops: Here is a link for a live interview that Lisa’s parents are expected to do. It’s being tweeted that the police went to the neighbour’s home earlier today (the one Lisa was drinikng with), and took something out.
Live Interview with Baby Lisa’s parents–expected to begin in about 5 minutes.
Okey dokey, Snoops. It would have been nice to discuss the Susan Powell case but the info comes in for a short bit then there are long intervals of nothing. Thanks again!
I listened to most of the interview. The Irwin’s new attorney spoke a lot but really said nothing. Jeremy Irwin looked like he was going to break down. Bradley must be taking nerve pills as she seemed so very passive. The private investigator said he was leaving the area but may return later. Now will the National Guard find anything?
Snoops: I listened to that, too. When he said that we would ‘all be surprised’ when we learned the truth, I choked on my coffee. I know what it’s going to be–the 10 month old baby drowned in the (nonexistent) pool while Mommy was passed-out. No responsibility on Mommy’s part–just a terrible accident gone wrong.
This high-powered attorney need to come-up with a new line. We’ve all heard that one before. MOO
Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
Snoops: Good update on this case via video at this link:
MSNBC Today Show VIDEO: Baby Lisa’s Mom Says She May Have Blacked Out
The new lawyer reminds me of Baez. He even uses the same buzz words. I had much more sympathy for this couple before he entered the picture.
The thing about a black out–you do not no where you were or what you were doing. This is often permanent. Sometimes memory can be retrieved through hypnosis, but not always.
Nan11~~Here we go all over again. It is like deja vu. I am not sure that hypnosis would work if someone blacked out from drinking. Deborah sounds like an alcoholic and had to have consumed a lot of wine to get to the blackout stage. God know what she did with that baby. Maybe in her soused state she had a temper tantrum when Lisa cried. She may have strangled the child. Liquor is a mood altering drug and some people go beserk when they drink too much. This does not look good. Deborah says that she would never harm the baby. That could be true when she is sober but she doesnt even remember turning off the lights and going to bed.
Something is not right with this story of Baby Lisa. Who puts a 10 month old to bed with a cough and cold to bed and doesn’t check on her often? I knew someone who always talked about her baby sleeping all night through, and would take long naps during the day. I babysat one day and she gave the baby benadryl before she left. I knew her secret then. She may have done that with this baby and gave her too much or if Lisa was coughing , she may have choked to death.I don’t get the attitude that after dark a parent can forget children and opt for ADULT time. I have a bad feeling for this beautiful baby’s life. The mother sounds like another caca………………………………….Snoops , did you read on OS where Judge Strickland is retiring? Old mason jar will be puffing that he forced it.. What has happened to Jan and Simon? I miss their show.?.
Morning ladies, I have been reading in here a wee bit but I think my thoughts are so different that I will keep quiet. I know that opposite veiws are welcome in here. I have been wrong in the past and can accept being wrong since what I think is based on knowledge of what I read and see, I know nothing as a fact. Good news about Davey boy!!
Margaret ~ ~I find putting a baby to sleep with benadryl is disgusting. It is forcing a baby to go to sleep which is not natural. If a baby is fed, burped and has it’s bottom changed, they will go to sleep if they are tired. Babies can amuse themselves if they are content. I find some mothers are just damn lazy. I wonder how many babies today are cuddled and rocked. There is no such thing as a spoiled baby but there are spoiled adults.
My Judge Strickland is retiring…oh maybe he will have time to visit Nova Scotia and I will feed him beer and lobster. I do have a soft spot for that man.
Cali Patti~~ we need your input in here. Why do you feel you need to keep quiet? If I have not been responding to all your comments, smack me. I have a big cyber family to keep up with and do a lot of work behind the scenes. We need opposite views. If we all thought the same way, we would run around like a bunch of smiling idiots nodding our heads in agreement with each other.
Snoopy you dear lady, of course you respond to me when called for. i will think about writing later.
My youngest is texting nonstop fron class with questions right now
He just learned he can access ansestry.com from class…
He just texted my grandmom lived in Bush Creek, Nebraska in 1889 ..wow
My Great Grand Mother…oops…
As to baby Lisa’s Mom, she drank wine and drank to much so what! Bad idea yes, hurting her baby no. Baby Lisa had a cold, so what. Many 10 month olds have runny noses, teething or just the nature of a 10 monthl. This is the 3rd child, 1st daughter, a very wanted and adored child. I do not believe there was a cover-up to an accident, I just don’t. The parents seem like the types to call 911 for help. The video’s show a doting mom who did not try to be the center of the video’s like ca ca did. The photos and video were of baby Lisa not the mom.
I just think this was grab and run, I really do.
Cali Patti~ ~ I would start worrying when your son starts to text his ancestors who have passed over to the other side. I worked on my own family tree for a few years. When I found out that one of my ancestors was charged with witchcraft in Salem, Massachusetts back in the 1600′s, I decided that I did not want to know any more. Actually, she was not found guilty. She probably was charged with making a mustard plaster for young man who had pneumonia.
Cali patti- I tend to agree with you. This is a young woman who was obviously raised to believe it is perfectly reasonable to put the kids to bed and have a few too many. The fact that she may or may not have a problem with alcohol is beside the point. I imagine truth be told, there were thousands of single moms who went to bed drunk that same night without any negative consequence other than feeling like crap the following morning. There were probably even kids who had both parents in their cuffs that same night. Neither whom could have responded appropriately in the event of an emergency. It doesn’t make them bad people. Poor judgement only becomes an issue in the event something tragic occurs.
The Kansas City Star is reporting that two women were spotted in Manhattan Kansas with a baby that looked very much like Lisa. When they noticed they were being scrutinized, they left the restaurant without eating. It’s only about a three hour drive from Kansas City. I hope that this might be a break in the case. I had wondered if more than one person was involved in Lisa’s disappearance. If there is something to this, then that means that the baby is still alive. The dogs they brought into the search were unable to pick up a scent, so perhaps Lisa was placed into a car parked right outside the house and completely removed from the area.
Well Cali Patti, when a dad goes off to work on a nightshift and the mom is left in charge of a 10 mos old baby with a cold and two other children, you think it is okay for the mom to drink to the point of having a blackout? When a mom is that drunk, the children would be left to fend for themselves. It is quite evident that Lisa’s mother has a drinking problem. There is nothing wrong with a couple glasses of wine. The Irwin’s couldn’t call out on their cell phones due to non payment of their phone bill yet Bradley could afford a box of wine, paper plates and napkins.
If Bradley flaked out and left the door unlocked., I chalk that down to negligence. She was supposed to protect those children not expose them to some pervert. When Bradley was interviewed and finally confessed to drinking too much, she just passed it off as no big deal. Well a child gone from it’s crib, whereabouts unknown, is a big deal.
Vicky~~we were typing at the same time and have very differing views on Bradley’s nite of hitting the sauce. Too bad Bradley could not have picked a night to party with her hubby. He looks like he may be the sensible one in this family. Since Bradley failed possibly two polygraph tests, why was she trying to hide the truth? She knew damn well that what she did do that night was wrong otherwise she would not have been ashamed to say she was drunk. IMO
No, drinking to where you can not recall what you did that night is never ok. The drinking, for me, helps clear her being guilty. She would have to be able to sober up, hide the baby to the point where top notch searchers have not found the baby, got back into bed , went to sleep to wait for the baby’s Dad to come home. Do not think that occured! So, now we have to bring in a friend to help hide the dead baby. That is a car coming and going that night from the house. Don’t think that happened either!
Unless the Dad went out of the home quickly when he returned from work, hid his dead daughter, returned home to contact LE., who hid the dead daughter? If I recall correctly the Dads timeline has cleared him.
I do not know squat. It just does not seem possible for the Mom to have time to hide her dead daughter. The Mom has made many mistakes but if her daughter were still at home none of them would have mattered.
They had a garage sale earlier in the week. So many people just listening for an opportunity.
I think it is possible for this family to have been tarketed.
snoop, not certain of where I learned this but … the last 3 women to be tried for witchcraft were found not guilty (only ones ever to be found NOT guilty) and the policy of looking for witches was stopped after those trials. Witness’s were found to be unreliable.
Witches don’t scare me, I always thought IF there were such a thing they would be a relative of mine.
Be proud you can trace you lineage back that far…Your American…ok don’t yell at me.
PS… I hope my lineage goes back to witches… why am I not surprized yours does? teasing!
Snoopy – believe me, I am not excusing her behavior. I personally find it appalling that parents are willing to tempt fate through irresponsible behavior. I would have never done what Debbie did, but I have known plenty of people who did that very thing. My point is, that in and of itself does not make her responsible if someone entered her home and took her child. It most likely contributed to the fact that it was accomplished without waking her, but even that isn’t a certainty.
We don’t know how deeply she sleeps under normal circumstances. I do find it rather disturbing that she would not have changed Lisa’s diaper before heading off to bed. That baby would have been soaked by morning.
If in fact, Debbie is involved in Lisa’s disappearance, I am of the opinion that what ever happened, happened before she got totally ripped. Perhaps shortly after the neighbor left. If there was cell phone activity at 2:30 in the morning, then someone was involved in assisting her. That is if she is involved and if a call was made. In that case, she might have continued drinking after the fact, until she passed out. I would be interested in knowing hoe impaired she was when the police arrived. I would also like to know how much wine was left in the box, and what size glasses were being used. Basically, she has reported consuming about two drinks per hour, or about the equivalent of a six pack of beer.
By the way, I completely agree with you about using medicine to make ba baby fall asleep! Also, I agree wholeheartedly that you can’t give too much attention to a baby. The more loved they are, the happier they are. A baby that isn’t forced to demand attention is a content baby.
Cali~ ~ all my ancestors came from England to America or to Canada. I think yours did too. I expect you are my 23rd cousin a dozen times removed. LOL
Well darn, I just had a comment go poof.
Snoopy, in no way do I excuse what Debbie did by getting snockered. I find it appalling that there are so many parents who are too shortsighted and self centered to consider the potential consequences of consuming too much alcohol and or the use of drugs while there are children in their care. But, that doesn’t change the fact that it is done every day. It doesn’t make it right, but most of the time, nothing terrible happen and a a result, those parents don’t fully comprehend the risk they are taking. If she began drinking at an early age, then her brain development has likely been effected and she lacks the ability to recognize how dangerous her behavior was/is. She probably has the emotional development of a sixteen year old. Six feet tall and bullet proof. This is a sad wake up call, but unfortunately, few parents who live the same lifestyle will change their behavior because of her experience. They will be of the mind that things like that only happen to someone else.
My comments keep going poof. LOL.
Snoopy, it sounds like some of your ancestors could have had contact with mine. Mine arrived in north America in the 1600s.
Vicky~ ~I found two of your comments in spam. I will look to see what word you may have used to cause it. It only takes a sucession of 3 letters… and I have a feeling as I am typing this which ones they are… hang on…
[edit] I’m back and changed a buzz word that I don’t think will throw you in spam. For example, I have ‘vomit’ in as a buzz word. If you typed ‘omit’… your comment would go to spam or ‘mit’ or ‘vom’ or ‘omi’ I wish it had to be more than 3 letters but WordPress makes the rules.
No problem Snoop. FYI – the restaurant where the possible sighting of Lisa is on a back road route to manhattan. It is a highway, but it is more off the beaten path. You can take I-70 or 24/40. The latter is a not the interstate. There are a lot of rural areas in that part of Kansas. Actually, there are a lot of rural areas in Kansas period.
K-state is located in Manhattan and Fort Reilly is next to Manhattan. pretty transient communities. It wouldn’t be too hard to blend in.
Not baby Lisa in Manhattan. Darn! I pray they will find something soon. This is so sad.
In some ways, I wonder if all of debbie’s tears are born of guilt. I so much want to believe these parents, but it really does seem something is really wrong with this story. I really wonder what the younger boys saw or heard.
You know it is kind of nice going to a website to sleuth and not see baby killer’s mug shot plastered all over the place. I did find this and wanted to share it with you since I promised to follow up on some of the loose ends. We may have got to see her in a disguise. Barf!
Phone Call Halts Casey Anthony Deposition Filing
“I’m a Type-B personality in a Type-A job,” Strickland said. “I’m worn out and ready to try something new.”
Judge Strickland is going to hang up his robe on Dec 31st
Oooooh, they now have a search warrant for the home where Lisa Irwin lived–was abducted–or whatever. The news said the police are “guarding” the house as the search would probably start tomorrow. I am hoping they are just going back to see if they missed anything.
What keeps coming to my mind is the way Deborah kept looking at Lisa’s dad in the first couple of interviews…..it was strange.
Vicky, I am with you on the need for at least a diaper change !!!!! Sheesh.
Newbie~~did I hear that Deborah and Jeremy are not living at the house now and moved out after Lisa went missing? If I was going to search the home, I would be tearing apart drain pipes etc. I expect LE has already dusted the window sill and Lisa’s crib for any fingerprints that may match a pedofile. I wonder how they are making out questioning Jersey, the handyman.
Nothing more has been said about the handyman. Lisa’s parents and the two boys are staying with a relative but have been back to the house a couple of times. It kind of bothers me that so much time has passed and persons have been allowed in and out of Lisa’s house…..not exactly a preserved “crime scene.” I just want this baby to be okay !!!!!
I just watched the full interview of Judge Strickland…I think with Tony Pipitone (not sure that is right). Judge Strickland is a class act. They were talking about what he had said of the “irony” of the situation when he rescused himself but he added that the real irony was that Casey would now have money for a nanny……whoa !!!
Newbie~~I never ever made it a secret that I LOVE Judge Strickland. Do you ever think of Roddy? LOL
Oh Lord NO ! lol You’re being a stinker !
I was just over at TCD to read this latest on Judge Strickland- some there are trying to tie it to possible continuing cr&p Mason et al are trying to pull involving “a Blogger”, etc. I was not aware that, after their successful MoJo mass mental incapacitation of a 12 member jury they’d have much energy left to whack away at anything else, but their swinging arms must still be intact.
Snoops: This was published Monday, so maybe you have read it. It’s worth a read and interesting. Mr. Sheaffer is Judge Strickland’s attorney, (if I’m reading that correctly.)
WFTV (Video and Write-Up) ~ Casey Anthony Judge Stan Strickland to resign
Posted: 6:16 p.m. Monday, Oct. 17, 2011
Quote:
Now, there’s talk that his appearance on Grace’s show has led to a Judicial Qualifications Committee complaint against the judge.
“We are certainly prepared that should they want to press that point, we are going to defend his right to make the comments he’s made vigorously,” Sheaffer said.
We checked with the Judicial Qualifications Committee and so far, there’s no record of a complaint.
But a complaint would not become public unless the Judicial Qualifications Committee finds probable cause to believe Strickland broke the rules.
End of Quote
Sorry, if you would prefer this linked somewhere else. Please feel free to move (or delete) it. Maybe the “Much Ado About Nothing” thread would have been more appropriate?
Snoops: I just had a comment disappear on me. I linked an article from WFTV on Judge Strickland stepping down. It could have gone to spam because I don’t see it in moderation.
I’ll check back in a few minutes to see if it appears on it’s own–it may be me have some new ‘puter problem.
Snoops: This is a two page article, with numerous videos. Lots of recent info on the serach for Baby Lisa here.
Missing Baby Lisa: Police Execute Search Warrant at Family Home
By CHRISTINA NG | Oct. 19, 2011
Missing Baby Lisa: Search Continues Around Home
Quote:
Young would not comment on the details of what brought police back to the house with a search warrant two weeks after Lisa disappeared, but said, “As the investigation progresses, I’m sure we continue to develop information that causes us to take different and new action.”
End of Quote
Nan11~ ~ there were no comments of yours in spam. I believe they are all showing now anyway. There may have just been a delay.
morning room, hoping for Better news on Baby Lisa. Tonight there’s a special on ca ca, A True Hollywood Story, “E” news. Since no one is getting money from this, except ratings, it will be interseting to watch. Probabably a rehash for most of us.
If anyone filed a complaint against Judge Strickland, you can rest assured it was Cheney Mason. Chaney is still pizzed that Casey has to serve the year’s probation. Mason best take care of Baez who is facing two complaints with the Florida Bar Comm. Those complaints involved his misconduct in the Casey Anthony case and they are now being heard by the grievance committee. Orlando Sentinel has a write up on it. Cheney Mason, the old fart, cannot tolerate defeat.
Mason just can’t take not being in the limelight. No class. Now Judge Strickland, there’s a sincere and classy guy !!
One of our news stations is saying the search at Baby Irwins home is in an effort to get a lead. hmmmm……it is coming off as there is nothing to go on at this point. I hate it that the “bigwig” attorney and “big wig” investigator made their appearance. I think they will find that in the midwest, that isn’t going to change a thing. It is rather stupid. Puke !
I am so happy happy. Don’t know if any of you recall I began a plan to lose weight.Yeah, 19lbs as of this a.m. Gave up bread, butter and most sugar. I do allow cheats but…yeah!
Many pats on your back cali patti !!
Cali patti: Congrats!!! Wow!! You must be lookin’ sharp. ┌( ಠ‿ಠ)┘
thank you…I feel good that I began this with half-hearted attitude then just plodded along w/o much talking about it. If I cheated, oh well I just enjoyed it and went back at next meal. Been keeping it simple. 15 lbs or so more to go….
So there will be less of you trying to bug the seagull…great news~ SS
Hey Ladies! I arrived home around 2 o’clock today. Things were a little complicated. They had to do a couple incisions. I should have results next week from biopsy. I will have to follow up with a liver specialist. I need to make that appointment but the doctor said I could wait a day or two that way I could recoup. I am very sore. Still sick at my stomach, generally feel like chit. I am going back to bed I will check back in later today or tomorrow. xxx
Laura~~thanks so much for checking in. I was thinking of you all day yesterday and late into the night. I talked with your ‘cyber daddy’ and asked if he had heard from you. Please get some rest and keep us posted….Big hugs… wish I was handy, I would give you a nice back rub. xoxo
Laurali: Oh, I’m happy to hear from you. It’s sounds like it was kind of rough going, but I’m so glad to know you’re home. Rest well, and drop in when you can. ✿ܓ
Snoops: The following is an interesting an informative read. (The second link is the actual ruling by the Supreme Court of Canada.
The Globe and Mail ~ Hyperlinking doesn’t constitute defamation, Supreme Court rules
By Kirk Makin | Last updated Wednesday, Oct. 19, 2011 1:45PM EDT
Quote:
The Supreme Court of Canada has erected a shield to protect those who post internet links to defamatory sites.
End of Quote
SUPREME COURT OF CANADA–Citation: Crookes v. Newton, 2011 SCC 47
Date: 20111019
We were ALL thinking of you yesterday and today, Laurali! Even while I was under sedation with a tube stuck… never mind.
Keep your spirits up. You know how much we love you!
Thank you for updating us Laura. Take care of yourself and let us know if you need anything.
Dave – I’m glad to hear everything went so well for you! Let’s pray Laura receives the same news.
Glad to hear from you, laurali! I’m praying its all good news. Maybe the doc will tell you to put some meat in your diet…j/k!
Know you were kidding Sherry but that is hilarious !!! Glad you didn’t pass it up.
Okay, Snoop, am I in moderation? lol
Ooops….
Sherry~~ It is great to be a vegetarian but your body may try and tell you otherwise. Even Jesus and his deciples ate meat, as long as the animals had a split hoof and chewed their cud. I love venison although it makes me a little wild.
Newbie, if you don’t behave you may get a kick in the butt…. I wrote ‘arse’ down first so it goes to show how nice I can be. LOL
lol….hey, I know when to take advantage…..everyone is in a good mood since hearing about Big Boy not having the big C.
Newbie~~when I found out that Dave didn’t have bone cancer, I was so happy, I wept. When I found out that Dave didn’t have lung cancer, I was so happy, I wept. Now it looks like I may have to put up with that horse’s arse for years to come and I can’t stop crying. I find myself being very giddy at times. Bwahhhhhhh
And isn’t it fun to be giddy !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newbie~ ~that is what you say to a horse’s arse….giddy up, whoa, gee and haw haw haw.
I found the following in this article somewhat unusual.
Police also brought in a bomb and arson truck to assist the search, although spokesman Capt. Steve Young said there were no indications of explosives in the house. Some bomb detection devices use X-ray technology to scan solid objects to reveal items concealed within.
Police search home where Kansas City baby Lisa Irwin went missing
Investigators Search Baby Lisa’s Home For 17 Hours-Video
Bob Ward loses jail privileges after jail chat
Dave called me from outside the courthouse. They are having the hearing to see if John Morgan can release the video of the deposition the did of Casey. I cannot find anything online so Dave will have to give us the scoop. I think the hearing started around 3 or 4pm…
Did anyone watch the special on her last night? I forgot.
I was raised on venison, a very good meat. I have found that I do not eat as much meat as I use to. I also don’t eat many egg yolks anymore. I like those egg whites from a box or just regular egg whites. I also enjoy different salsa’s, fruit, veggie, as long as they are MILD, not hot. I have given up most sauces but if I am at turkey dinner then more gravy the better. Nothing is off limits, I just don’t indulge much anymore.
Cali Patti~~you poor thing. Don’t starve yourself to death. At a Turkey dinner, I prefer the stuffing and dark meat, oh and lots of cranberry sauce.
Dave said he watched Casey last night but I didn’t bother. What was it supposed to be all about? Anything we haven’t heard a dozen times over and over and over?
Judge delays ruling on releasing the video deposition. She will make a decision within the next ten days.
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/29542543/detail.html
On E news, format was like “backstory/hollywood” story. Interviews by boyfriends, atty. Sims, so on… I doubt the ratings were very high since so may of us here missed it. Those low ratings will affect future projects connected to her.
My favorite at turkey dinner are all the sides. Love stuffing, I make, sweet potatoes, I make, and the cranberries. Yum ~ Now I am really hungry… dam*
Snoops: Thanks very much for the link on Bob Ward. His sentencing will take place on Nov. 9, 2011. It will be interesting to see what happens there.
I guess he has discovered that he can’t make the rules while he is in jail, and that jail is not a four star hotel.
Here is a link to a little of Jacqueline Fell’s interview with him. The link contains both a write-up and a short video.
Only on News 13: Bob Ward reveals what he never told jury
By Jacqueline Fell, Reporter ~ Last Updated: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:41 PM
Mr. Ward has much to say now–pity he didn’t take the stand in his own defense, isn’t it.
Snoops: Regarding your WESH link–I agree with everying Mr. Morgan had to say. Baez and Barbara Walters having a little tete-a-tete in an exclusive restaurant discussing a play. Pulheeze!! Joined of course by Linda Kenney Baden & husband.
BTW: It was great to see Dave in the video. He looks very good.
Nan11~~they didn’t have the video up when I posted the link. Thanks for letting me know. I agree, he looked very nice in that clip.
Nan11~~I like John Morgan’s style. I don’t think Zenaida has a prayer in winning her suit but I must give John credit for trying to open some doors and giving Ca Ca a run for her money.
So Baez is still trying to pimp the princess. Gag!
Nan11 ~ ~Bob said, “I wasn’t drinking wine.” He sure as heck was drinking something stronger than water. The jury has spoken. Bob is so used to giving orders, he will want the jail or prison redecorated to suit him.
Good heavens. What are they going to do at trial? Bring her into the courtroom in disguise? Or is she to be privileged and not have to be in the courtroom in front of a jury? She made her bed, now let her sleep in it.
I’m avoiding our news now as when they were back at Baby Lisa’s house investigating, they made it a no-fly-zone which they reported was due to them looking for a body. I’m putting my head in the sand.
Yum yum. Thanksgiving. Sage dressing with small chunks of turkey in it covered with gravy, cranberry sauce, then orange-cranberry sauce and pumpkin pies, cherry pies, mincemeat pies (with a tad of vanilla ice cream…….oooooh, I’m going to think about it all right now as the stores are closed and I can’t go get some mincemeat and vanilla ice cream (touch of mincemeat on top of ice cream…). My family is sooooo bad at Thanksgiving. We make enough for an army for our get-together and everyone brings containers to take food home for leftovers later. We start with two turkeys at least 24 pounds each. It was much easier before part of the grand kids reached eighteen and older …..boys.
I think I better stop there as I am sitting here thinking of our good times and ready to tell you all about them……
Another thing with Ward’s interview, Snoopy- first I had heard about her being behind him with the gun at any point. If it was there somehow in testimony or his statements to LE I missed it (possible as I didn’t follow it that closely), but- yuh, all this should’ve been under oath, end-of-story. Come to think of it though, if he’s saying now he wasn’t drinking too, maybe his lawyers just didn’t dare put Mr. Ego on the stand…. no credibility. What are the odds that a high-end millionaire real-estate developer would have credibility problems though!
Can’t help but think that if he had just stuck with “tragic accident”, instead of trying to work it as a suicide, he could have ended up free like the other one. I didn’t watch that “E” thing either!
Oh, and speaking of the Devil- the Jury names get released on the 25th, I think….
Newbie, I agree with big boys and Thanksgiving. Jeeze the boys eat & eat.. I always was able to have plenty of the string bean dish left over for ME the next day now its always gone…And the way the boys eat most of the mashed potatoes…They should eat before they come over.
Newbie~~they took some pile of evidence to be analyzed out of the Irwin household. They even bagged shovels. Hopefully they will find something.
I already celebrated Thanksgiving here in Canada and now you have me hungry again. I prefer sage in the turkey dressing but sometimes I put a combo of both sage and summer savory. This is not a good place for people to come who are trying to diet. You are putting their will power to a test and I do not have any.
I wonder low Laura is making out!!
Karen C~~ now Mr Ward decides to talk. Gee, is he having a guilt complex? I noticed that when he spoke of his wife, you could see the disgust written all over his face. His wife is dead and where is the grief? His younger daughter seemed to be the only one to show emotion for her mother. Mallory seemed to be crying because her daddy was going to jail. Bob Ward was soused when LE cuffed him and took him in. Let him cool his heels in a cell. I am sure what his sentence will be but hopefully it is a lengthy one. There are too many rich people getting away with crimes.
One of the Pinella County jurors took off and went into hiding. She was the one who called into her work place and told them she quit her job and then left her sick husband for parts unknown. I hope no news outlets will approach them to get interviews. Why rehash what can’t be changed now?
John Morgan’s deposition should be released. Why the hell should a murderous bitch get special treatment? This is what is keeping people riled up. The Anthonys were always after special privileges. They are not celebrities. I often wonder if Cindy is working on that book or writing a script for the movie. Barf!
Hey Snoopy! I hope all of you are well. I am still really sore. I should get results Tuesday. It would be nice if I could sit around and chat with you all but laying down is more comfortable. I do read for a bit everyday. I will at least say hi.
✿ܓHi, laurali!~✿ܓ
Laurali: Ahh, it always makes my day when you drop in. I hope they have given you something for pain–Advil may work, if they haven’t. A Doctor told me that can reduce swelling as well as help with pain–and no risk of damage to liver.) Stretching out and resting is probably best!!
I’m praying hard for you to receive good news on Tuesday.
Laura~ ~ thanks for popping in. If it is any consolation to ease your mind, if the docs found something serious, you would hear from them before Tuesday. At least that is how they do things here in NS.
Dave has a new post up…..At the Courthouse
http://marinadedave.com/journal/2011/10/21/from-the-court-house.html
Snoopy~ I hope you are right, but my doctor is out of town until Monday. Sherry hi! Love the cute little flowers. Nan~ they sent me home with medicine. I am pretty sure that is why I am sleeping so much. It is okay because if I am sleeping I am not stressing or feeling discomfort.
Laura~ ~ most doctors leave other doctors in charge for any emergencies when they are away from their office. My docs always have backups.
Why are we just now hearing about this??
Missing Five Year Old Girl in Arizona
(CNN) — Ten days later and despite an $11,000 reward, police have not found a missing 5-year old Arizona girl.
Jahessye Shockley wandered out of her Glendale, Arizona home on October 11, unnoticed by her older siblings who were supposed to be watching her. Her mother called police after returning home from an errand.
In the first three days after the girl went missing, Glendale police wrapped up a grid search of her neighborhood and moved into the second phase of their investigation where they are following up on tips they receive from the public.
Family members have begged for information on Jahessye’s whereabouts.
“Please bring my baby back… Her safe return is all I want,” Jahessye ‘s mother, Jerice Hunter, said last week. “She belongs to this family… She’s somebody’s child. Mine. Please bring my child home.”
Shirley Johnson, the girl’s grandmother, said she is wondering why the national media hasn’t spread the word on the case.
FYI ~~~
A cadaver dog positively hit on a deceased body on the floor of Baby Lisa’s Mom’s bedroom floor!!! More to come….
Yeah, I just heard about this story the other day.
Apparently the mother was quite abusive to her children and had to serve time for it.
The mother was found guilty in 2005 by the CA courts of ongoing severe physical abuse of her children, sentenced to eight years, and no probation.
Here is RC’s thread on it with links and videos~
http://www.realitychatter.com/t3594-jahessye-shockley-age-5-glendale-az-missing-10-11-11
Read more about Baby Lisa here….breaking news…
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-cadaver-dogs-detect-smell-deceased/story?id=14786129
Here is a list of things taken from the home of Lisa:
*multicolor comforter
*purple shorts
*multicolor Disney shirt
*glow worm toy
*”Cars” thermal blanket
*Role of tape
*Tape dispenser
Snoops: Regarding your comment of 4:54 pm–I have been following this a little. WebSleuth’s has a 15 page thread on this here.
Here is a different write-up on the case and a short video:
ABC 15 ~Grandmother explains why CPS took children from home of missing Glendale girl
Posted: 10/19/2011 ~ By: Stephanie Hockridge
Quote:
Police said they no longer think the little girl wandered out of her home.
End of Quote
Aww, Snoops: That’s so sad about Baby Lisa. My stomach feels sick. The thing is though–and this is very sad–Deborah was in a drug and alcohol induced black out that night and does not know what happened.
I am not poking fun when I say that she could not tell law enforcement the truth if she wanted to. That is why her tears seemed so real–because to her, when her husband woke her up and they discovered the baby missing, that was the first she heard of it.
The fact that her memory is blank, however, does not mean she was innocent of any wrong doing regarding her baby. It just means that she cannot remember–and how sad is that?
This woman needs professional help–for one thing, she is in denial that she does have a very serious drinking problem. Imoo, of course.
Sherry: Thanks for that link in your comment of 5:08 pm.
The cadaver dogs “hit”- First thought? Oh No No NO…second thought, after reading rest of article describing the sightings of a man in a tee carrying a diaper-wearing-only baby at 4AM (!!!)- how long does a baby’s body have to be clinically dead before it would register as “dead” to a cadaver dog? This not being an exact science, and all….
And WHO on God’s green earth doesn’t call the cops if they see a dude walking in the middle of the street with a baby at 4 AM!!??? Better safe than sorry, or having to explain that later to LE….
Karen C~ ~ when a person dies, decomp sets in right away as gases start to build up inside the remains. If the child fell out of bed and was killed, I am unsure how many hours it would take before odors would be emitted for a cadaver to pick up.
A lot would depend on the temperature inside the bedroom. There would be certain secretions that would come from a body, ie: saliva, urine or vomit. Those would be well decomposed by the time the dogs picked them up in just the last few days. Yor raised a good question. Lisa’s parents did restrict LE from searching in certain areas of their house. This is why they had to get a search warrant.
Jeremy arrived home around 4am. Did he panic when he found the child dead and his wife drunk and took off down the street in shock trying to dispose of the child? In this day and age, I can believe just about anything.
Oh, and another thing (here we go again ((maybe)) ) – “tape and tape dispenser”- Oh, no no no no…
Karen C~~I heard it takes about one hour and a half to three hours after the death of an individual for the cadaver to pick up the scent of death. I just heard this on JVM. It showed a pic of LE taking a rolled up carpet from the Irwin house so they didn’t just cut out a portion of the carpet.
Now there are 3 different people, a man and his wife, plus another person who said they saw a man walking up the street with a baby clad only in a diaper. The man had a white t-shirt on. The married couple saw him just after 12am and the other around 4 am. The married couple lives about 3 houses away from the Irwins, the other about 3 miles. No one bothered to call 911.
Snoops: The mysterious baby sightings, or at least one, was talked about right away. I thought they had discounted it for some reason. Now, sense the appearance of the New York lawyer, all this talk about baby sightings are starting up again.
I’m not sure what to make of this.
I couldn’t get my head far enough in the sand to get away from Baby Lisa. They broke in on regular programming with the update. I’m afraid this is only the beginning of the ending we all didn’t want. Now I am hoping there was an accident and Deborah was afraid to admit it fearing the two boys would be taken out of the home. Whatever happened, I believe Deborah’s husband knew as in their first interviews she would keep looking at him and crying and he absolutely did not acknowledge her.
I can’t remember if this was posted but yesterday (I think) they were talking about Deborah living on or close to a base four years ago. Another mother reported her child had been snatched in the same manner but they found the baby in the attic.
You know three of the illuminated bill board signs have just been completed. It was reported they had a large picture of Baby Lisa with Where is Baby Lisa….have you seen her. One news station said two more were to be made. The donors name was mentioned but I didn’t get it. Whoever had the signs made was just wanting to help. Now, if I can dream for a bit…..the dog was wrong and the signs will help find Lisa.
You know the three people who were to have seen the man in the tee shirt carrying a diapered baby reported to the police before the reward of $100,000 was put in place and announced. I also don’t understand why no one immediately reported seeing the man and baby as it was cold that night.
I feel so sad.
Newbie~ ~ I have a feeling that Jeremy Irwin knows what happened, after the fact, of course. I am working on a post now for Baby Lisa so we can keep everything on the same page. I hope to have it up later. Any info you can post here will surely be appreciated.
FYI~~~new post up…. Baby Lisa Irwin Updates…
http://mainstreamfair.wordpress.com/2011/10/21/baby-lisa-irwin-updates/
Cousin says she called CPS about Jahessye Shockley
A relative who helped raise a missing 5-year-old Glendale girl says she called Child Protective Services several times to report her suspicions that the girl and her older sister were being abused.
Mahogany Hightower, one of four cousins who took care of Jahessye Shockley for the first four years of her life, told me she last saw the little girl in April, at a family barbecue.
“She cried really bad, telling us she wanted us to take her home,” Hightower said. “She wanted to go home now. We told her you can’t come home with us now but you will later. She goes, “I can’t go later. I’ve got to go now.’ ”
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/LaurieRoberts/146522
Hello room, I come and read with nothing much to add. I understand looking at baby Lisa’s mommy, but does anyone in here think this woman is intelligent enough to outwit LE, FBI & US Marshels? Maybe the mom did outwit them by accident.
Good thinking Cali….Sometimes wine can give a person the smarts.
Nan11~~since you help me run this blog, I took a screen shot of what I see when I open my stat counter. It’s a little program that I added to the blog. You can see it in my sidebar, a little blue box at the very bottom. I hope that I did not make this pic too small…. These are the stats for the past week.
You can increase the size of this page by holding down Ctrl and click the + sign…
Snoops: Nope, it’s good. I can blow it up and it displays clearly. “Returning visits”?–that’s ones like me who keep returning and returning and returning?
LOL–I can’t stay away lately. Every time I take a ‘coffee break’, I find myself sitting in front of this thing, checking on the missing kids. (Sometimes the break turns into something much longer than I intended. Yikes!)
Gosh, I do think I need to find a new hobby–for my own sanity.
Snoops: Here is an update on Jahessye Shockley. We can’t really see the ‘face’ of the little girl–but I can see why someone took time to report this.
After reading Sherry’s link, I find myself hoping that if she is with a family that cares for her, maybe she is better off. However, the person with her is a ‘male’, so that makes me uneasy.
Police ask for help identifying girl seen at Walmart
Sandusky Register Staff ~ 01:04 PM, Oct 24, 2011
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A woman called police on Sunday to report that she saw a little girl bearing a strong resemblance to 5-year-old Jahessye (pronounced Jessie) Shockley, who disappeared from Glendale, Ariz., on Oct. 11.
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Thanks for the stat counter, i can see it ok. What is a unique visit. a one time visit? How would that be different from opening a page?
Cali Patti~~I think that unique visits would be the ones who found the blog by using a search engine. In the stat counter, it shows where the people come from, where there ISP is located. I had a visitor yesterday from Qatar. I get them from all over the world. The majority who check in to Amber Kirwan are mostly from the Maritimes and Canada. Baby Lisa’s visitors are mostly from United States.
I am really guessing here, but your visitors from very far away or unrelated by IP address might be people whose family has relocated their because of work or vacations. If I traveled with my hubby I would ck on local news back home.
When I listened to radio talk shows, at first I would wonder how a host who was seemingly very intelligent have such an absurd point of view on “a” subject. Then I came to understand the provocative, not sexual, their point of view the more callers would respond with opposing opinion. The hosts shows rating went up. So causing mayhem was how they stayed employed. I soon stopped listening as often.
Cali~~do you think that I should start raising hell and talking sexy ? LOL I would never make a good Jerry Springer nor an Oprah.
Oooo la la ~ yes, talk or write (in your case), sexy. I want to ‘see’ how that goes. maybe women that live in N.S. have different or unusual sex talk. maybe its related to mooses or men-in-red. Possiblt about snow or snow storms or storms or…OMG yup, my mind (what little I have) wanders.
Having mouse problems, think I will need to go buy a new one before signing back on…
I have been trying to catch up on the series of events that surround baby Lisa. Wow what a strange case. I sure hope it does not turn out that her mother lied also.
Sooooo I am a little scared to tell you what I have done but believe me when I say I learned my lesson because it hurts really bad.! I decided today that I should clean my shower and at least vacuum, the girls have been doing a decent job so I figured I would help. Pretty sure I ripped out a few stitches. Holy chit my belly hurts – so no need for hollering, I get it now. Apparently I am not wonder woman.
I have my follow up appointment tomorrow. Little nervous about it now since I did not follow orders. Honestly with what I have done to myself I have not had time to be scared about what my labs will show. It odes not pay to be stubborn or self reliant. Help is good, lesson learned. You all were right! Head down in shame and pain.
Laurali: I was so afraid you were going to do something like that. I’m not yelling–I’m just worried. I’m glad you have an appointment tomorrow. You really need to keep it. Please take care of yourself. Please. If you don’t, I’m going to suggest that Snoopy get that big log out she keeps for Cali and then we will have your daughters tie you to your bed. I hope you are resting now–surely you have that house clean enough. {sigh} ✿ܓ
Laurali, isn’t it soooo hard to be limited! Sometimes the only way we really learn is to mess up. Hope you aren’t paying to high of a price in the form of lotta, lotta pain.
While it is bad manners, I have to chime in that I have been on a “no lifting more than three pounds” limitation for five weeks now. You know three sweet potatoes can equal three pounds.
I get checked this coming Thursday and am crossing my fingers I don’t have to go the full six weeks or longer.
Good luck tomorrow ..
How sweet! Newbie this is very hard. Even when I feel bad I just go on, but this is different. As for the pain it is a lot! Like do not bend over, lie flat, do not take a deep breath and I swear if I sneeze I will die. No kidding I learned my lesson. I do not care if there is a leaf on my carpet it will only become a problem if it grows into a tree. Wow! Good luck with your appointment. 3 pounds? Why even bother? These doctors are just not realistic with us hard working women.
Laura- I will refrain from a cyber lecture. Please take care of yourself and remember a germ free environment can prevent one from developing antibodies (just kidding). I hope all goes well with your appointment tomorrow. I have been thinking of you daily. In your honor, I cooked a turkey over the weekend. I thought of you fondly as I removed the gizzards.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/10/casey-anthony-bill-sheaffer-says-case-was-american-soap-opera.html#comments
Laura~~what kind of a liver biopsy did you have? I didn’t think they had to stitch a person after the procedure. How many stitches do you have and are they inside and dissolve on their own or did they suture you on the outside?
Snoops: I read that earlier. I thought it was a good read until I came to the part where Mr. Sheaffer said he thought the ‘verdict’ of the Pinellas 12 showed the system worked. I couldn’t disagree more. So, I barfed and went about my business. JMO
I had two slivers of the liver removed. I have about 25 stitches. Well had about 25 stitches. :/ The lesion is under the flap of the liver if that makes sense to you. It made none to me until they showed me the lesion on my ct scan. IMO they should have just removed it but apparently they may not be safe until they determine what we are working with. I should have had them instal a zipper just in case. They could not do a traditional biopsy because sometimes a puncture will cause bleeding. Bleeding that is hard to control. Either way it hurt and today I made it hurt worse. Dang the dirt, it makes me throw common sense out the window.
Had I been able to eat a “normal meal” I could have taken my adhd medicine. But since I am on a very small portion (because I feel full) I have been unable to take it. Hope that explains the reason for my painful error. The reason I feel full is because of the lesion. Part of the reason for the weight loss. It pushes on my insides.
Vicky that poor turkey. That dreaded holiday is fast approaching. My girls have demanded a turkey this year. Last year we had a vegetarian Thanksgiving. This year they want it all. I think they just want me to make them turkey noodle soup. I do have tongs handy. It freaks me out sticking my hand in the turkey to get the crap out of it they decide to shove back in it! WTH??
Oh God Vicky. Now anytime I remove innards and see the liver, I’ll be thinking of Laura’s liver.
Laura, a lot of people like to boil that stuff, along with the neck, to chop up and put in the stuffing. Plus the store can put another half pound on the turkey weight.
Twenty five stitches !!!! Those would be on the outside, right? Even so, they must have been digging for gold. I don’t understand the leision thing pressing on other things. I thought a leision was more like a cut or scratch. Is your liver enlarged? Hope I’m not being too personal.
Laura – Tape your feather duster to a pumpkin to place on the table and order a pre cooked/sliced turkey from the grocery store. you can bake the pumpkin and use it’s innards to make home made pumpkin pie.
I am saying a prayer for you tonight and in the morning. Try your best to rest. If you need anything, don’t hesitate to ask. You know how to reach me. Hugs my friend.
Oh…forgot. Buy a half of a turkey breast and you won’t have to deal with innards, the neck or the veins and stuff you find in the thighs, legs and wings.
Laura~ ~from the way you describe it, you had major surgery. I thought they just went in with a needle and took some tissue from the leison. That is one heck of a pile of stitches. I am assuming they are on the inside. Did the surgeon tell you how many stitches he/she put in? No wonder you were supposed to take it easy.
Newbie, I hadn’t even thought of that! LOL
When I was getting the turkey ready to bake, I remembered laura’s traumatic experience with thanksgiving dinner several years ago. Poor Laura hates handling raw meat and poultry. When she told the story, i luaghed my arse off. The sacrifices we moms will make for our kids. Fortunately, she has her tongs.
Snoopy they are on the inside. However there is now a slight gap. Actually I thought it was major also but it was all done out patient. I went from surgery and recovery to a room, they had me drink some juice, then eat a granola bar after and that the surgeon came in and signed my paperwork for me to come home. I followed all the rules til today. I figured it was really no big deal because they sent me home in a matter of hours. Big mistake.
Newbie~ Me too. When I first told Snoopy and Nan about it I was still clueless. My oldest daughter freaked out and then I read about liver lesions. They are more like cyst or tumors. Not your average run of the mill lesion.
Vicky~ Turkeys are my least favorite meat. They still look like a bird. Man that sounds really stupid. At least when my kids eat a cheese burger I do not see the imagine of the cow.
I have to tell you when I started reading your comment “tape a feather duster to a pumpkin”…..right there my mind took a double take and is going HUH….you thru me off….lol. Now, I have to ask this since I’ve never ordered a precooked/presliced turkey….do I ask for a spiral cut turkey? lol That’s what came to my mind….I’ve got to get off here and go to bed.
Laureli…you take care girl and recovery will happen sooner or keep doing what your not intended to do, recovery will last a very long time. Hugs to you!
I also hate raw turkey and cooked turkey is not so good either. Having 3 boys I learned to cook a turkey using rubber gloves and buying a turkey that was almost ready to go. Disgusting ugly birds. I sanitized my entire kitchen after having the bird in my sink. I use oven bags and a disposable roasting pan. I do oven dressing, never stuff the bird with food I plan on eating. I do stuff with cleaned cut onions and apples but toss them after cooking the ugly bird. Yup, Laureli I’ve lived your adversion to the ugly bird. I buy skinned frozen chicken breasts also.
Please take care of yourself.
No word from Laureli ?
I think Laura is off trying to frighten small children at the local library. She volunteers annually to scare the chit out of them.
Snoops: I finally found your little ‘stat counter’ button. I can’t see a chart or anything when I click on it, though–it takes me to a Word Press page.
All you ladies are making me giggle over your aversion to turkeys. Just put salt (course if you have it on hand) in the cavity, (quite a bit really, and rub it all around), leave for a few minutes–then rinse it all out well with cold water. Now, you have a nice sanitized cavity all ready for your stuffing. (Which tastes many times better if cooked inside the bird.)
A golden brown stuffed turkey–oh, the thought of it makes my mouth water. Delicious.
Nan11~~I am the only one who can see the info in my stat counter. The little box in the side bar is to show people I have a stat counter. A lot of blogs have them but keep them invisible.
Snoops: LOL–this is ‘old’ news now, but I was wondering if you had seen it. The Pinellas 12 were ‘revealed’. {Yawn.} Sure, the ‘jury consultant’ wants to ‘make sense’ of their decision–so the results can be duplicated and more ‘guilty’ people can be found ‘innocent’ during future trials.
Anyone who cared about justice for 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthony knows what took place. There is no real sense to be made of it. MOO
Casey Anthony trial: Names of jurors revealed
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“We want to understand,” she [Susan Constantine, a jury consultant and body language expert] said. “We want to make sense of their decision-making.”
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Snoops: Here is a little update on Jhessye Shockley. This woman certainly has the figure to stop traffic and kudos to her for effort.
KPHO News (Write-up and Video) ~ Volunteer in Jhessye Shockley case takes unconventional approach
Posted: Oct 26, 2011 1:17 AM | Updated: Oct 26, 2011 10:45 AM
By Cara Liu
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More than two weeks have gone by since 5-year-old Jhessye Shockley went missing from her Glendale neighborhood.
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nan …. My mom was a old type farm Lady that literally killed our chichkens so I am familiar with how to’s. However I don’t want to salt that ugly bird. I want that ugly bird to drop out of the food chain. Seriously! When raising my boys I saw how my adversions could be passed down to them. So I worked very hard at many aspects of myself to be a tough, you can do anything Mom. Now since my sons are grown I am becoming, again, who I was meant to be. I love being me again, adversions and all. Honestly doubt I will have very many turkeys in my oven unless one of the boys comes over Thanksgiving morning and cooks it. Yes they can all cook.
Laureli, someday you will never have to deal with a turkey again. There is a bright future for you.
Cali~ from your mouth to God’s ears!
I should just be glad the kids still want to hang out with their mom. I think they stick by me on Thanksgiving because we have so much fun with Black Friday. 1 st stop Starbucks. After that where ever they pick.
Nan ~ Seriously jury consultants want to meet with the 12 idiots to figure out their “thinking” imo they did not put any thinking into their decision. They just let the baby killer walk right on out. Any future children’s blood as far as I am concerned is on their hands. Dirty girl learned nothing about punishment for her crimes.
Laurali: Ahh, you always say it so much better than I. “Dirty girl learned nothing about punishment for her crimes.” Very succinct. Love it!
Cali Patti~~ I used to watch my father kill a rooster or chicken for our dinner. They taste some good when you are hungry. You don’t know what you are missing out on. People eat beef, pork and moose and I don’t see any of those animals winning any beauty contests.
Snoops: LOL My father used to have laying hens, (nice fresh eggs every day); but if things got a little tight, he would catch one for supper. We were not allowed to witness the act, but we could watch Mother prepare it for human consumption. (Yuck!) Now, that is something I would not care to do. Not from start to finish, like that.
I do love to buy them in the store, already de-feathered and mostly cleaned. The neck is a big treat to me.
Okay I have just got to ask! Is there anything you all do not like to eat? LOL.
Last year I purchased brined turkeys from Trader Joe’s. It was the BEST turkey I’ve ever tasted. If you live near a Trader Joe’s you might want to see if they are selling them. My husband put one on the grill and I put one in the oven stuffed. Because we had a lot of company that kept us from focusing on the cooking both turkeys were very over cooked. But they were juicy and flavorful! I became a turkey fan. So don’t give up on turkey until you’ve tried one brined (which you can do yourself but it’s more work).
Oh, I must have miswrote. I understand where animals come from and saw my Mom cut off their heads, watch these headless creatures run about the back yard, defeather and we ate them for dinner. My Dad & I caught, gutted & ate fish. I have homemade canned salmon out of Alaska in my cupboard today.
There is something about a raw turkey I do not like, never have. I did learn how to cook one quite well in my opinion. I just don’t like them…..
We were members of 4-H for years.
Laura – in answer to your question – I don’t like to eat healthy.
I dont do, eat, snails, oysters, (slime) most organ meats, talapia, bean sprouts,
Patti O~~I agree. Once a person has brined their turkey before cooking, you don’t want it any other way. The meat is nice and juicy, also very flavorful.
Laurali: I was hoping my comment about the neck would get you to surface.
In answer to your question, I’m not too fussy about eating anything that ‘jiggles’–but if it’s nice and firm I’ll usually enjoy it.
Patty O…I will try a brined turkey, I enjoy Trader Joe’s.
Hey all. I am awake so I thought I would pop in and say hello. It is rainy and cold outside so I probably won’t stay up to long. When I got up this morning I felt good. My incision did not hurt, finally. So I did some chores and now it hurts again. I will learn.
Is there any news on baby Lisa? How is Dave anyone hear from him? Have we learned anything from the release of the ignorant dozen’s information? Are they being harassed by the media? How about the Michael Jackson trial? You would think I would just turn on a television but you all are so much better. You are commercial free.
Laura, would you like all that with fries? or pavers?
Get a load of this, Snoops. Good thing I’m not in law enforcement, because I would ask them if they remember who had the baby’s cloths stuffed in his pocket and sugget that they might check with him if they want to know where Baby Kate is. This is another beautiful, beautiful little baby–where?
I guess those girls must think it is free & fun to have law enforcement draining ponds and scaling cliffs to find their children and most of them know darn well where they are. MOO
The Muskegon Chronicle ~ ‘Protest’ planned Saturday in Ludington to bring attention to missing baby, Katherine Shelbie-Phillips
By Heather Lynn Peters | Updated: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 12:21 PM
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A former Ludington woman is heading up a protest Saturday, alleging that investigators haven’t done enough to locate Katherine Shelbie-Elizabeth Phillips, the baby girl who disappeared June 29.
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Nan11~~what in the hoot is wrong with some PD’s? Why are they scared to lay charges and let the evidence go before a jury? …not jurors from Pinella’s County. Let the evidence in Baby Kate’s case go before a grand jury and let them decide if there is enough to warrant a murder charge. How long is Phillips going to sit in jail? I believe he is charged with parental kidnapping at the moment. If Baby Kate’s remains are found now, it would be like Caylee, nothing but bones and no tissue to show a cause of death.
Laura???
Where are you? Okay okay, come back and I will answer your questions.
Good evening Ladies! So nothing new on baby Lisa? Other than maybe some fibbing going on? It seems that is the new norm. Child goes missing- lie lie and if that fails lie some more.
Hope you all are feeling well. Are you all ready for Halloween?
Laura ~~we are more interested in how YOU are feeling!!
Exhausted. Sore. Hoping to feel a little better before all the big Holidays so I can have fun with the girls. Tuesday I have a doctor appointment and hopefully they will have a plan.
I have been extremely sore since Friday. I spent the late evening yesterday and today at e.r. from a side effect possibly from the surgery. They called it Costochondritis. It may last a few days or up to a year. I am going with a few days though. :/
Laura~~now for goodness sake, don’t go trying to do any cartwheels before Tuesday!!!
No worries. I am following orders so I feel better quickly!
Snoops: It’s hard not to get a little laugh out of the video. I kind of need to remember how laughing feels right now, iykwim.
Laurali: Now, I think you are on the right track. Maybe you could start a personal journal (never to be seen by any eyes but your own), and make particular note of your pain. Then, on those days when you are tempted to ‘shine-up’ you house; you could refer to your journal and get ‘in touch’ with the pain.
Maybe you don’t like doing them–but old fashioned jigsaw puzzles are fun and great time passers. You can even do them online; although I find they lose some of their charm that way.
Anyway, do take care.
nan11, great suggestions!
What I like about the online puzzles is that no cat can wreck it when I’m about done with it. And no lost pieces either.
Sherry: Oh, that made me really made me laugh out loud. I know exactly what you mean about cats and puzzles (on a table top.)
My cats really do like to catch a few ‘zzz’s’ on my puzzle pieces. And, yes, I’ve been known to spend a few hours looking for a missing piece (or two.)
Oh, well. In the end, I luv them more than I care for my puzzles–so usually it all ends happy.
FYI~ We are on verdict watch in Dr Conrad Murray’s trial. The jury has been deliberating for 5 hours so far… When the verdict comes in, I will post it here…
Thanks for that, Snoops. I am interested in what the verditct will be.
Here is a little update on Baby Kate Phillips. They have his trial set now for Jan. 17, 2012. It doesn’t mention this in the article, but I guess they are doing a search for Kate today. It is just going over the same area as they looked before–I mean this guy had a very small window of time before the police were at his door. He didn’t go far with his baby. I think the search will wrap up shortly.
Anyway, here is the link concerning the trial date:
The Muskegon Chronicle ~ Sean Michael Phillips, accused of kidnapping missing Ludington baby, to stand trial in January
By Heather Lynn Peters
Published: Thursday, November 03, 2011, 9:25 AM Updated: Thursday, November 03, 2011, 11:02 AM
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A trial date for Sean Michael Phillips, accused of kidnapping his infant daughter and refusing to tell anyone where she is, is set for Jan. 17 in Mason County Circuit Court.
Katherine Shelbie-Elizabeth Phillips, then nearly 5 months
Phillips, 21, of 280 W. Millerton, Victory Township, near Scottville, is charged with one count of unlawful imprisonment, punishable by up to 15 years in prison, and one count of parental kidnapping, punishable by up to a year and a day in jail.
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The CM jury has pressed the buzzer and need a break. I was hoping for a verdict. It’s 2:30 there. That means they will go into another day if they don’t reach a verdict by about 4:00.
Snoops: I don’t know if you are still following Amber’s case, but I just wanted to let you know that they seized a vehicle around 4:00 this afternoon. No news of the who or the where. It’s developing though.
Amber’s autopsy is done, and the police are finished at the Heathbell Road area.
NG News ~ RCMP seize vehicle in Amber Kirwan homicide case
Published on November 8, 2011
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A 2002 grey Chev Impala has been seized Monday around 4 p.m. as part of the investigation into the murder of Amber Kirwan, according the RCMP.
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Nan11~~I am still following along and reading at Unsolved Murders. Yes I did read where they seized an Impala. Hmmm… I also read Neighbours comments…*wink Law Enforcement works slowly and methodically but they get the job done. I think we will see an arrest soon. I did get a chuckle out of the one who went to the police with a gun and a knife and wanted to visit Mason. He just got 60 day house arrest. I shouldn’t laugh but the man has major problems.
Okay Ladies re the brine turkey. There are lots of recipes if you google ‘how to brine a turkey’ but my daughter does hers the simple way. Get a fresh turkey or one that is not prebasted. Wash the turkey and place it breast side down in a large stainless steel pot or one big enough so you can immerse the turkey. Cover it with cold water and 1/4 cup of table salt. Brine it for about 2 1/2 hrs. Keep the water cold so ice cubes or a freezer pk will do the trick. After the turkey has brined, rinse it, pat nice and dry and then stuff it with your favorite stuffing and roast it as you normally would. You can brine it longer but the 2 and 1/2 hrs makes it perfect and the meat ends up nice and juicy and not dry as turkey meat generally is.
A lot of the recipes call for brining overnight….I think the turkey would taste salty but that is JMO.
http://atlantic.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111108/search_warrant_111108/20111108/?hub=AtlanticHome
Hopefully, there will soon be an arrest in this case and Ambers family will have answers. I assume the autopsy report was made available to the family? Once an arrest is made, hopefully, justice will be served. My heart goes out to her family.
When our R.C.M.P. go into action, there is no stopping them. I expect to see an arrest before the week is out.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/31070-police-search-mobile-home-kirwan-case
Here is an update but it comes from a news outlet and has not been confirmed by the New Glasgow Crime unit as to the real reason this individual was arrested… I believe the subject is on parole so it may have been a parole violation… I will keep updating as new comes in and hopefully we will have some official info….
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-11-09/article-2800514/Police-make-arrest-in-Amber-Kirwan-case/1
This link will no longer work as ngnews has since retracted their statement
Snoopy-I couldn’t get the link regarding the arrest to work. Any new news?
Vicky~~I see that the news media released the news that an arrest was made in connection with the Amber Kirwan case…. the RCMP did not make that statement and the news outlet had to make a retraction and that is why the link goes to a page not found… We can’t even trust our media in Canada either. An individual was arrested but the RCMP is not saying why…
Thanks Snoopy. I wish the media would stick with reporting news rather than making it.
I am listening to Dr. Drew right now. They are discussing the Penn State scandal.
Dr. Drew is going to have Hillary Adams on his show later this evening.
Penn State board of trustees have removed coach Paterno and the university president effective immediately! Finally someone has done the right thing. Unfortunately, there are many who oppose the decision.
Good !!!!~SS
Vicky~~Amber went missing in the town of New Glasgow and her remains were just recently recovered. It has been ruled a homicide. There was also a homicide in Trenton, a town close to New Glasgow. The RCMP have two investigations on the go. When this person was arrested, they automatically assumed that it was connected to the Amber case. The media should have checked out their source to see how authentic it was. The only true source is the RCMP and, if we don’t hear it from them, it is considered a rumor. This arrested person may be connected to the Trenton case, the Amber case, or neither one. This is one reason I decided to close down the Amber post once the remains were located and just left Condolences for those who wished to leave them. There is a darn good possibility that the killer comes in and reads the blogs. The last thing I wanted to do was to compromise a police investigation. If anyone thinks they have pertinent information about either of these cases, the Crime Unit has a tip line and it would be better served to call them than speculate on a blog. As a result of some of the above, I do not expect to be nominated as ‘Blogger of the Year’… We are dealing with small towns here and they are practically in my backyard. Nuff said….
Snoopy – I very much respect your stance on this issue. When people start pointing fingers without fact to back their accusations, innocent/collateral victims can be created. I think all of these tragic cases that keep popping up are taking an emotional toll on the public. People are upset and angry. I for one feel like we need to let the police handle investigations. Our role should be to make certain the authorities are doing their jobs, not tell them how to do it.
Discussing evidence and police statements is one thing. But, relying on unsubstantiated rumors, and unnamed sources can often bring harm to people who have done nothing wrong.
I know I have pushed the envelope on pointing a finger at baby Sky’s mom, but even Detective Johnson has stated there is something wrong with her story.
As for poor Amber, it seems to me that the truth will emerge soon enough. No sence in accusing anyone not involved in her murder.
Vicky, IMO, you’ve said nothing wrong by writing your opinion about Sky’s mother being guilty. No one would leave a two year old on the side of the road in a cold car. No one, not even Sky’s mother. I doubt the child was even in the car to begin with and that is because the mother did away with her child before parking the car. I have never pointed my finger at anyone, except Ca CA before this case. I always give the benefit of doubt to everyone. Not this time. I feel it is stupid of anyone not to be able to see this case for what it is. So if your wrong Vicky so am I.
Below is the grand jury presentation for Sandusky. The content is graphic and disturbing. I am completely appalled that the SOB seems to have been allowed to act with impunity by both the powers that be of Penn State and the Second Mile program for many years. My heart breaks for these boys. Several have not been identified, including the child that is the center of this controversy.
I can’t believe that so many people were in a position to stop this monster and chose to “turn a blind eye”. how anyone can defend these “men” is beyond all comprehension.
I suppose we are all supposed to find comfort in the knowledge that the university and the charity were able to thrive as the dollars kept rolling in…via the fundraising efforts of a sexual predator. go team Sandusky.
http://kstp.com/kstpImages/repository/cs/files/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment-1.pdf
Vicky~omg, I am reading it and never knew things were that bad and the cover up is shocking..
Cheney Mason rushed to hosptial by ambulance.
Went to a wedding this evening. Weddings are such a nice reminder that good things happen every day. Then the icing on the cake…the Denver Broncos are staying at the hotel where the reception was held, so I got to check out some fine male specimens. Just kidding. The groom is a big sporsts fanatic, so he invited them to join the party and several accepted the invitation. The kids there were thrilled (along with some overgrown kids). It was a nice break from all of the sad news this week. Now I just hope the Chiefs kick butt on Sunday!
Vicky~~good for you. We get bogged down in this doom and gloom and need some fun and relaxation. I think it is time to put a post up and kick up our heels and laugh a bit…maybe we can invite Nurse Rachett but she cannot be naughty…well maybe just a little. I am not into football but I would love to kick a few butts after what I read today and CNN prime was nonstop about all the goings on.
Hey Vicky, Chiefs game…disappointment but did you catch the K State game?
Re Baby Kate-Michigan.
Phillips is in custody awaiting trial on charges of parental kidnapping and unlawful imprisonment in the case. A court clerk confirmed Thursday that a trial has been scheduled for January 17 in Mason County Circuit Court. A kidnapping charge was initially filed, but it was dismissed after paternity was confirmed because Michigan law does not allow that charge against a child’s parent.
WZZM reported in mid-October that Phillips had rejected a plea deal that would have involved pleading guilty to one charge, but the specific conditions of the deal were not disclosed.
Read more here….
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/04/new-search-for-baby-kate-phillips-in-michigan/
Let’s hope we see some comments from Laura soon!
Yes, indeed.
BTW, for anyone interested in the San Diego Rebecca Zahau “suicide” case Dr. Phil is doing a 2 piece on her second autopsy. Pt. 1 I’m watching right now- Pt. 2 is tomorrow. Amazing stuff already. Jeff Ashton will be on the show on Wed…..
Good for you, Snoopy!
Karen C~are you referring to Ginny Lucas trying to advertise on my blog? I trashed it. She left a very long comment in My Ripley’s Believe it or Not.
Yup! Saw it. Talk about needing to move on…
I guess she is not getting much work lately. I put her in the same class as Sylvia Brown and Gale St John. Kooks!
Huh, wha?
What is the Nov. 14th, 12:32 pm post about? I read and reread. Does ginette, gin – ette drink to much gin? Was this a report from a psychic or a call for help? Does she want you to report her to the FBI for being unable to write a clear post or she needs a baby sitter? I don’t think the FBI babysits. Possibly requesting business for her dowsing claim/business?
Oh my goodness, this woman is raising children.
“Sharing is Caring,” share what? Is she asking for donations? Skelton brothers, as in Red Skelton? HELP>>>I am lost again!
Laura … where art thou?
Cali Patti~ ~I trashed that comment as it was nuts. I don’t know if it was someone impersonating Ginny Lucas or the real one. I trashed the original comment and just pasted it here to show who ridiculous it sounded. I think it may have been someone who was getting her revenge at Ginny. Anyhoo… it is in file 13 now.
*Let’s hope we see some comments from Laura soon!
Most everything on CNN Prime tonight was about Penn State… I finally got a look at Sandusky and he even sounds like a pervert… Now listening to what he says in this video makes you wonder what he is really referring to…the SOB
ahhhh, Jonathon. I believe I understood what that post was about, I was just teasing you or trying to make a “funny” out of her post. I used ginette’s post as a basis for humor. I was acting stupid to get a laugh.
Cali Patti~~ I knew you understood. I have some strange comments that come into this blog. I just let that through for a good laugh.
Just a reminder to continue to pray for our friend…
Will do! Hugs to her!~
She and the girls are on my mind and in my prayers daily.
Yoooooooooooooo, Laurel Where art thou? Sending good thoughts your way and hope all is well with you. Your absense is noticed.
Did you know that Jeff Ashton is a defense attorney?
http://www.wesh.com/r/29639043/detail.html
http://www.troumandwallsh.com/jeff-ashton/
Wow, Sherry, thanks for that info. I wish that they hadn’t of mentioned the name ‘Casey Anthony’ in the second link you posted. This is almost comical…Baez goes to Aruba to help the defense with forensic evidence and this is going to be Ashton’s specialty. Do I see some competition here? Since Ashton knows the ins and out of how the prosecution operates, he will make a great defense attorney in the ‘second chair’… It seems he will take the position of an advisor and after watching him in the A trial, he knows his forensic stuff.
Some people are upset by it. Becoming a hated Defense Attorney! LOL!
It would break my heart to see Jeff Ashton help defend someone who was evidently guilty.
I don’t blame him at all for moving to the defense side of the fence. Prosecutors are woefully underpaid, and given today’s economy, if I were in his shoes, I would begin defending accused in order to build a nest egg. He has paid his dues, and IMO has earned the right to make some money off of his expertise. Go Jeff!
Snoopy, I know many defense attorneys and respect the heck out of them. Even when they defend those who are evidently guilty. Not all defense attorneys are willing to sale their soul to the devil in order to win. I sincerely believe that Jeff Ashton will be a highly ethical defense attorney, and will never “push the envelope” in order to gain an acquittal. The man has a passion for justice, and an obvious sustain for defense attorneys who violate their oath in order to win.
Well crap. Destain, not sustain. This darn self correct on iPad drives me to destraction.
Vicky, overruled, my dear it is Disdain….ha ha ha Bleach will take out De stain… smack me!
OMG, Vicky, can I leave it stet? You don’t know how bad I needed a laugh!
{gigglin’..ahem}
I agree, Vicky, Jeff Ashton is not going to sell his soul to the devil to get a win in court.
I like most defense atty’s. They are needed more today than in prvious years. LE allowed many people to “go on home” w/o the threat of a liability case against them years before. Now if LE allows “us” to go on our way or a child of ours, our child then gets himself into more trouble or hurt, we have a case against the original LE officer that allowed him to walk.
Did I explain that OK? No longer does LE has discretionary rights as they did before.
So everyone is hauled in and in my opinion OVER charged from day one in order for plea bargins to be made. So its a win-win for them and a person has a record.
Great video of Bill Shaeffer and Kathi Belich take on Jeff Ashton book on WFTV. Bill and Kathi still have the attitude about verdict as we all did.
Margaret~I will have to teach you how to put in a link. I could not find that video..
I think I found it….
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/bill-sheaffer-wftv-legal-analyst-discusses-ashtons/vFC5P/
Snoopy…just read on Facebook (someone posted) Dave in hospital…Can’t find anything else as to reason…Never did find out how that upper and lower GI went…If you find anything out, please let us know…Thanks…Estee
Estee~ ~ I was just chatting with Dave on FB. He is going into hospital tomorrow to get his gall bladder removed and they are doing a liver biopsy while he is under. He will get in touch with me when he gets up and around tomorrow, probably late afternoon and I will make a comment in here after I hear from him.
Thanks, for the info…I know he will pull through with flying colors…Praying for him…Awaiting the good news that all is well…
Funeral director gets stiffed for stealing drugs from a corpse… honest!
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/29787587/detail.html
Praying for Dave to come through with those flying colors! <3 Dave!
Sherry~~Dave’s surgery is scheduled for 10:30am, Orlando time. As soon as I hear anything, I will post an FYI in here. Yes, I am praying everything will turn out good.
BTW, things are looking a lot better for our friend. *wink
Yay!
Still keeping the prayers goin’!
FYI ~~ I just spoke to Dave… he is home and everything went well. They removed his gall bladder and did a liver biopsy. He is hurting but has meds to alleviate some of the pain. He has got to take it VERY easy for 2 days. It even hurt him to talk but God love him, he wanted everyone to know he is okay.
After all these years, they are reopening the case of Natalie Wood and what really may have happened the night she supposedly fell overboard. This was back in 1981 when she was married, for the second time, to actor Robert Wagner. Video here…
There is just no end to missing children and women…..
Karen Swift, 44, mother of 4 was reported missing on Oct 30th by her husband. She was in the process of divorcing her husband who lived in the same house with her. She had apparently abandoned her car that had a flat tire. Her cell phone was not in the car. You can read more here….
Karen Johnson Swift, Dyersburg, Tennessee Missing
Maybe there’s hope for the Rebecca Zahau case being re-opened too. Should be, what with duct tape residue on her legs and 2 different apparent ligature marks on her neck….
Anonymouse…. I am waving back at ya!!! Don’t be so bashful and come join us.
Karen C~~the Rebecca Zahau was one I just couldn’t follow. I found it so very disturbing and the cruelty was too overwhelming.
Oh, on top of the violence of this pretty-clear-to-everyone-except-SDPD murder It is astonishing the way LE left her butt-naked body out there, her hands behind her back, pretty much fully exposed for the benefit of lookie-loos and the news crews in the chopper overhead for 12 HOURS in the sunny courtyard- no pop-up, no screen, no tarp even to shield her nudity. Now, how the heck do you accurately determine TOD when she’s been allowed to start quietly decomposing (her lower abdomen was green) in the sun all dang day? GRRRR
Kakren C~~my apologies, I got the names mixed up and thought you meant the little girl who had cancer of the leg and was abused and then murdered by her step mother. It was the Z in the name that confused me. You are speaking of the one who supposedly commit suicide off the balcony in California. I did not know they left her exposed out in the sun without covering her nude body. Oh gawd…
Sorry to be late here responding, gone most of day. Yes, Zahau is a doozie of a case. Jonah’s brother Adam’s alibi (he was staying at the guesthouse and only one there besides her at the time) is- from what they have gleaned on THM- he was having fun with online porn on his Iphone! Asian girl bondage porn! The fact an Asian girl is found bound and naked hanging from the balcony is completely coincidental. She’s a suicide, and SHE was the one surfing the main pc in the house looking up- wait for it- Asian girl bondage porn! To get ideas about how to do the knots, I’m sure.
That’s what San Diego PD would have us believe! And THEY are getting mighty testy about it too!
Oh, and a pair of women’s black panties are in the trash can in the guesthouse, but are not recovered/tested by SDPD because they don’t think they have anything to do with it! I SWEAR this is what these guys are coming up with… it is incomprehensible.
The girl was Zahra Baker. I followed that VERY closely, and there are still a zillion unanswered questions. No skull for instance, so only taking her word (She Cow Elisa- Killer) for what happened, and she’s been trying to back off on that. No idea of the extant of his, Adam’s involvement- he was the father who had all the tools at hand for dismemberment, but SHE knew where the body parts were. Frustrating- He said, She said. Justice loses. It was very close to here and was on our local news constantly…
I’ll send you an email regarding an interesting factoid about the 911 tape…
As bad as what I am going to write I think this was part of the mind set. R. Zahau, the Calif. suicide/homicide case reflects Sth. Calif. mindset when it comes the wealthy and their toys. She was a Asian girlfriend of a wealthy man. Once he was not around to demand respect for her she was throw away. If she had been a wife or daughter of anyone important then I doubt they would have left her exposed to cameras. LE tents or blankets the living/dead, victims or perps., all the time. For me this was a blatent expression of total disrespect of the woman. How they treated her body for me shows exaxctly how the case would proceed. I also think the injury of her boyfriends son played a big part in this case. I noticed most news outlets did not print or show full body photos they have. Every news station has a helicopter that certainly took photos that day. Helicopters are the best and fastest way to get news out here.
Michelle Parker, 33, mother of 3 missing enters it’s fifth day today.
http://www.wesh.com/news/29830289/detail.html
More on Michelle Parker from the Orlando Sentinel
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-michelle-parker-search-expands-20111122,0,7732220.story
Let’s pray that Laura will be able to go home tomorrow and be with her girls for Thanksgiving!
Yes! Done said! <3 xo
Cali Patti- The news copters actually had to stop and refuel, that’s how long they were up there filming her naked body. All day long. SDPD could have ordered a no-fly zone with no overhead shots, as is usually ROUTINE in these cases (!!!!!). And not all of these were pixilated or blacked out after either. I’ve seen some of the shots on-line that show, well, everything. Family should sue just for that alone. I do feel the cops came in with a general notion that she was a “bad” babysitter to Max, at the very least, and felt they were in a position to punish her and her family in subtle and not-so subtle ways. They have taken all the Shaknai extended family statements at face value, in every instance thus far.
No explanation at all from anyone, LE, ME, AG, no one, on how there’s a ligature strangulation mark horizontally on the front of her neck, beneath the embedded and wider mark from the hanging itself, that naturally produces a slanting-upwards pattern towards where the knot would be at an apex. There’s two different marks on her neck, and the one I’m referring to goes horizontally across. Doesn’t make a mark at the back of the neck, but then she had all that hair.
If you bop someone on the head 4 times while they are in the shower, naked and unable to defend themselves, then draw a cord around their neck from behind while they are prone on the floor, tighten and knot, then put duct tape around the ankles to keep them from kicking you should they revive, THEN bind the wrists temporarily, wait for death, rip off that duct tape, untie the wrists (because you have to put the paint on her fingers, you know, for her “suicide” message on the door), then you have to figure out the “drop” for the “hanging” (but if there’s two of you maybe not so hard), then you can cut off the ligature from the neck (using that smaller knife on the floor), Oooops, there’s a mark, so get that thicker rope around the neck for the noose (using that second bigger knife, also on the floor), Ooops, still pretty obvious, so NOW put a long-sleeved tee shirt around the neck over the noose 3 (count ‘em) 3 times, THEN double-knot the sleeve-ends to obscure your handiwork, apply bindings to wrists from behind and also the ankles (hey, she’s athletic, and what if she’s not fully dead yet!), make sure to press her hand onto one of the knives, and put the tail end of rope into her one hand, you know, so SHE did it to herself- good, the paint’s dry now, all done, lug that b@tch over to the railing on the balcony (accidentally letting the ball of her left foot hit the tile twice, but not that of her right), toss her over, WAIT, not done yet, remember to take the actual ligature cord with you, and pull up Asian girl bondage porn sites on the main PC to, you know, explain her kinky methods of doing herself in, and NOW, finally get the hell out of dodge. Except the neighbors on both sides of the house heard a woman scream. Oooops!
But don’t worry, those nice policemen don’t think any of the above is relevant and the sweeties have closed the case for you.
Oh, and what woman possessing long hair does not automatically pull it through a scarf, turtleneck, noose, or any other thing around their neck? The noose is on the outside of her hair….
Answer: Nobody!
Johnathon,…Sure sounds like you hit the nail on the head…I just love it when someone posts their theories…Makes for interesting conversation…and we all know she didn’t do herself in…
estee1240 ~~we have to thank Cali Patti and Karen C for all that great indepth info re Zahau. I just skimmed the service on that case but agree that girl did NOT commit suicide.
I think it is time we got a bit festive in here…. calling all people who have been away….hello hello
Here is a candle to cheer up a little lady who has been away. Let’s hope she makes her presense known soon…
Oh! I remember that Dean Martin album in my mother’s record collection.
It would be soooo nice, indeed, if the missing lady would pop in!
Hi everyone! Thanks for the pretty candles. I am going to try and catch up a bit, I don’t know how far I will get because I am tired already. It could be the medicine. I hope you all had a nice Thanksgiving.
{wavin’}!~ <3
Good to see you, Laurali!
Are my eyes deceiving me or what?
Nice to see you back amongst the living Ms Laura!
Spend enough time in the cafe and we’ll at least get the old brain stimulated.
Hey snoopy – I’m watching TLC, 48 Hours:left for dead. This episode is about “the railroad killer”.
Definitely a thriller.
I am playing Words with Friends on facebook with my sister-in-law and cant leave. We have 4 different games on the go …or maybe it is three…I lost count..
No problem. They caught Recindez. His surviving victim testified against him in the death penalty phase. He was excecuted in 2006. The prosecuting attorney said that not once did he express remorse for the between nine & sixteen murders he committed. It amazes me that there are people like that in the world. It really is frightening. Even more frightening, is the fact that you can be sitting in the room with someone like that, and never suspect that they pose a threat.
The woman who survived is inspirational. She feels that as the survivor, she must live her life in such a way as to honor all of his victims. listening to her interview, you could tell that she has taken something that could have distorted her, and has turned it into something positive.
Vicky, did he just go on a killing spree for the fun of it? What was his motive?
Back to FB….
I think my s-i-l retired for the night. She disappeared but we can finish the game anytime. Vicky, I should take you on in Words with Friends sometime… It is like Scrabble…
I don’t think they ever quite figured out his motivation. He traveled throughout the US, Canada and Mexico via rail cars. His crime spree lasted for Nearly a decade, and he is classified as a serial killer. Some believe he murdered as many as Thirty. Most of his murders were home invasions. He would kill the people and then hang out in their homes for some time. He took jewelry, which he would give some of to his wife in Mexico He did say he murdered a homeless woman because she disrespected him, and another guy because he was gay.
Holly Dunn, the survivor said that he demanded money from her and her boyfriend. He then tied them up, bashed her boyfriends head in with a rock, beat and raped her. He claimed to psychiatrists that he was half man and half angel, and could not be killed. The prosecutor says he was emotionless. the defense tried for an insanity defense, but the jury didn’t buy it.
I had a nose job and a facelift so I would look festive for Facebook…I can’t show you all of me because a boob reduction wasn’t in my budget… Here ya go…
Sound like a plan Snoopy.
My oldest grandson plays the “truth game” on Facebook. Have you ever heard of it?
If you had a boob job, what would you use for a pillow when dozing off at the table?
Vicky~ ~ that is scarey and this murderer had a wife in Mexico…omG. I wonder if they have voices inside their head telling them things. I knew a young man who was a paranoid skitz (don’t ask me to spell that) He said voices talked to him all the time. He used to wear heavy winter clothes in the summer time. When he was a teenager, he seemed quite normal and did well in school. He fathered a child when he and the girl were only around fifteen. He took off out West, not wanting the responsibilty of a child and when he came home around five years later, he was a mess, mentally. I think he got into bad drugs but his family says he was diagnosed as a PS. He lives in the city now in group home.
Vicky, I never heard tell of the ‘truth game’ and I have no plans to ever play it either. Look, I am 38-23-34 and if you don’t believe me… oh never mind…. oops, I forgot that I am now a mouse and my tail is 25 feet long…not telling you where I start measuring from ..
Snoopy – it is not at all uncommon for the onset of schizophrenia to to occur in late teens to mid twenties. actually, that is when most people develop the full-blown disorder, with symptoms of the disorder occurring at a younger age.
You do know that the favorite Christmas carol for a person with schizophrenia is “Do you hear what I hear” don’t you?
Seriously, it is a devastating illness for both the individual and their family members. The sad part is there are many medications that can control the symptoms, but many people with the disorder are non compliant with the meds.
I don’t doubt for a minute that you have a long tale, I mean tail.
Just make sure you don’t step on it, or anyone else for that matter.
Vicky, I didn’t know you could spell schiz and also did not know it could develop in the teens and beyond. It was terrible to see a vibrant, healthy young man turn into, I hate to say a vegetable. He will sit for hours staring at a spoon trying to bend it with his mind. If someone showed him the trick on how to bend a spoon and even break it in two, he would still think his way was the right way. I heard about that Christmas carol in my travels.
It’s the simple words I have the most trouble with, Snoopy. Where I work, we have 23 diagnosed with schizophrenia. It really is heartbreaking. Some people experience auditory hallucinations during the manic pause of bi polar disorder as well. Right now, I am extremely upset with our state government for limiting the number of hours per year that Medicaid patients can receive treatment beginning in 2012. I see this as a huge mistake. Especially when dealing with the SPMI population. They won’t save any money, these individuals will just end up in the hospital, which is far more expensive.
Vicky, I think there is a female cat running back and forth in here trying to steal my mouse… Maybe it is the farmer’s wife… I am going to bed so we all can rest our mouses.
Well, now that the feasting is over and the shopping is done I can get back to my life???
Really missed the goings on here..I had laptop withdrawals…Shakes, and even heard voices telling me that I was gonna die if I missed another day with my internet friends…Gotta admit that we, in Florida, have experienced a week of fabulous weather…The cold front that passed through earlier in the week only brought us a wee bit of rain (much needed) and a little breeze…We are expecting a somewhat cooler week coming up…I can’t wait…I love sweater weather….Enough of my dribble….Gotta go for now…Hope all had a fabulous Thanksgiving/Harvest holiday…Even our friends that don’t pig out on this day…Keep the banter going…
Estee~you have your shopping all done…wowee, consider yourself lucky. I don’t mind the change of seasons here in Nova Scotia but when we have a blizzard in January and freezing temps, I wouldn’t mind being in Maui. I know a lot of people who prefer the fall. I love Spring and, of course, summer but not heat waves.
We have had so much doom and gloom, I think it is time to have more banter and enjoy the fun things in life. We only go down this road the one time. Maybe I may invite Nurse Rachett back for a visit. I will keep a cake of lye soap handy to cleanse her mouth if the occasion arises. Thanks for stopping in and glad you enjoy some of our silliness.
Oh Snoopy, Nurse Rachett? Once unleashed, it might be darn near impossible to keep up with her way of expressing herself. Absolutely no filter, if you know what I mean. She even made me blush the last time she was around.
However, I must agree, too much sadness is bad for the soul. I think a lot of us could use a good laugh. with all the latest missing people and illnesses, a change of topic from time to time is a nice change. You know me, I love to laugh.
When Laura feelsmup to paying us a visit, I will tell one of my latest “little buddy” stories. But not until she feels well enough to enjoy it.
Snoops this may not be the right place but have you read the write up of Bob Ward and his verdict? It is hilarious..He has come up with a new version of what happened and he wants a whole new jury to hear his latest version. My ffavorite quote in the article is ” In Orlando justice occasionally takes a back seat to fairy dust “. He is blaming his lawyer because the jury saw that he had lost his confidence in winning. The lawyer is blaming caca for the verdict. The sentencing has been post poned until Dec. 15. The article is on the Investigation Discovery site….. You will be happy to know my granddaughter has promised to teach me to cut and paste during the Christmas holidays.
Margaret~~this is the right place for anything. I heard a while back that Mr Ward was making waves as to the verdict- spoiled little rich devil, isn’t he? I will check on that article. God love your granddaughter for saying she will teach you to copy and paste. It is like riding a bicycle, do it just once and it comes natural. Thanks for the heads up on Bob Ward.
Dr Murray’s sentencing is on CNN Prime…
Well…It all comes down to the MONEY….I can’t imagine that all the money in the world could bring Michael Jackson back….His family is just trying to get more money from the goose that laid the golgen egg opportunity….Don’t they have enough money to begin with…royalties..Social Security Dependants benefits…life insurance…investments???? …Even though the decision as to the final amount will be determined at a later date, Dr. Murray will never be able to compensate the Jackson Family…Dr. Murray’s life is ruined too…He will always be tagged as the man that killed Michael Jackson and I’d just bet that he returns to his birth country when he is released from jail…
Wow, Judge Michael Pastor gave a longer statement than the people and defense put together. Conrad Murray got sentenced to four years to be served in jail not in a prison. He got credited with 40 some days, time already served. Restitution to Michael Jackson’s estate will be heard at a later date. The family is asking for $100, 000,000.
One does sense that the Force is being restored again, being repaired from the damage it’s been done to since July 5th! Which, BTW, is my Orlando sister’s birthday- A day (I remind her) that shall “live in infamy”! Murray is not an anesthesiologist- end of story.
Karen C and Estee~~I was astounded at Judge Pastor’s passion in his closing statement before sentencing. He never missed a beat and he has earned my admiration. Well Dr Murray has had his wings clipped and it may set an example for a few more in the medical profession.
Ecossie Possie sent me the following via email… I guess it is good for a laugh. I haven’t read it all yet…
http://earthzebra.com/2011/11/23/casey-anthony-speaks-first-casey-anthony-interview-by-earthzebra-blog-exclusive/
A song for that special bird, Casey~
The important thing about the “interview” is the disclaimer right there on the site! Right hand side… Hah!
To pass this on~
REMEMBER: Cell Phone Numbers Go Public this month. REMINDER….. all cell phone numbers are being released to telemarketing companies and you will start to receive sales calls…. YOU WILL BE CHARGED FOR THESE CALLS To prevent this, call the following number from your cell phone: 888-382-1222. It is the National DO NOT CALL list It will only take a minute of your time. It blocks your number for five (5) years. You must call from the cell phone number you want to have blocked. You cannot call from a different phone number. HELP OTHERS BY PASSING THIS ON. It takes about 20 seconds!
Thanks for the reminder, sherry!
Sherry~~thanks for that info. I blocked my home phone from those telemarketers a couple years ago but sometimes a few get through. I have a cell but only use pay as you go and haven’t used it in ages.
Sherry, Thank you I had not heard about this.
You are very welcome!~
I know that all of us have lives out of this room. I have mostly good days and at times, not so good days. When those days happen or events happen I can come in here to read notes from good people. For that I thank you all. I honestly appreciate each and everyone of you.
wheres laurel?
Sherry- before work tonight I emailed this to ’bout everyone on my “more than acquaintance” list. I’ve already heard back from some who didn’t know about it. Thank you!
I’m glad to hear that. Its bad enough to have the telemarketers call but to be charged for it? AcK!
Snoopy, how did Casey like the song for him? I heard it and thought of him.
Sherry ~~I listened to the song and it was comical. Casey lived to be 15 which is rare for a budgie . He was in fine form but then had a stroke and I nursed him for around a week and he passed. That was a couple years ago. I sure missed my little friend. He used to sing in the microphone and I made wav files of him and then played them back. I decided not to get another one as he was irreplacable.
aw, so sorry to hear of his passing.
Merry Christmas from Dave, Ecossie and the Snoop
Presenting Senor Knechel
I am still laughing……….. Thanks Snoopy, Ecossie and Dave for the card. It looks like someone got to the “whoopy” jug early..I love it!!! …………………Dave certainly made a remarkable recovery……Thanks guys.
You all almost made me forget, just saw where geraldo will be patting jose on back again tonight with an interview with gary g. Wonder if caca is getting jealous of jose moving into the spotlight without her. Mason sure got quiet on the subject. He hasn’t even commented on Ashton’s book
Lawdie- Snoopy, what the h— are you doing with my son’s alto sax??!! Oh, yuh, Margaret, they are definitely getting their party on a tad early! That was GREAT, and must’ve been a blast to put together. You all look FABULOUS, darlin’s!
Margaret and Karen C~~if you send me your mug shots, I will make you stars too….woot woot
Margaret~~Baez is getting his advertising on the Geraldo show… I do not watch that show at all.
I often wonder how Cheney Mason is making out after his hosptial stay. His family kept all that so hush hush so I don’t know if Cheney is back working or not.
Arrest made in Jorelys Rivera killing-Georgia
Jorelyns body was found in a dumpster. She was just 7 years old. Jorelys, who turned 7 on Aug. 20, disappeared around 5 p.m. Friday while she took a break from playing at the apartment complex on River Ridge Drive, police said. She reportedly told other children at the playground that she was going inside to get drinks, but never returned.
Read more here and see the picture of the SOB who did this horrific rape and murder…
http://www.ajc.com/news/cherokee/arrest-made-in-jorelys-1253596.html
This just churns your stomach.. That poor innocent child to die such a horrible death at the hands of this sorry good for nothing SOB. There are no words to describe him. I just wish someone would have blown his brains out and rid the earth of this monster. I don’t trust the legal system to do it anymore. That poor child just wanted to play and not bother anyone. God bless Jorelys and give her family strength.
Margaret ~~ SOB is right. He even pretended to help look for Jorelyns and mentioned that the empty apartment would be a place that someone may take her. That is exactly what he did and he had a key to the trash compacter where he dumped her body. He figured that her tiny body would be compacted and no one would ever find her. The poor little tyke suffered a brutal death. Apparently Jorelyns mother was napping because she had to go to work on an overnight shift and some teenager was supposed to be watching the girl. Law enforcement thinks that this SOB had planned this rape and murder in advance.
Here is another perverted SOB…. arrested again and this time has to put up bail.
Jerry Sandusky, arrested and taken from his home in handcuffs today, sexually abused two additional victims, says a grand jury report released today.
The latest grand jury presentment details alleged abuse of two additional victims who came forward in the wake of the 40 criminal charges brought against Sandusky last month.
http://www.ology.com/sports/jerry-sandusky-arrested-again-second-graphic-grand-jury-report-released
Read The Original Grand Jury Report
The new presentment details the testimony of Victim 9 and Victim 10. Like the previous victims named in the first grand jury report, Victim 9 and Victim 10 met Sandusky through Sandusky’s Second Mile Charity, which served at-risk children across Pennsylvania. Each story is as harrowing and disgusting as those described in the previous report, but perhaps most disturbing is Victim 9′s claim that he cried out to Sandusky’s wife for help when he knew she was home, but she never came to his aid.
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/sandusky-presentment2.pdf
I read somewhere that little Jorelyn was killed 11/2 hrs after being kid napped by this monster. The terror she had to have suffered. I could pull the trigger on him and never bat an eye. He and sandusky need to be lined up together and let me at them. sandusky is a low life pervert that has been allowed to do this to these children because no one wanted to rock the boat at penn state.. The sport programs are considered more important than these boys lives..I will never believe that his wife did not know what he was doing.. Grandmothers and the good mothers need to revolt on government until something is done about the safety of our children.. I wish I knew something to do. Everyday it is a new child…
Margaret ~~I am with you in that I could waste both of them with a bullet right in the groin and then let them bleed to death. I hope Georgia has the death penalty. As far as Sandusky goes, he will probably get a light sentence. That is the problem with these pedofiles, the sentences aren’t stiff enough and they should castrate them all.
What I would wish for Sandusky and Jorelyns attacker/murderer is that when they get to prison, their teeth are knocked out and they are raped, tortured. and only brought to near death. Once recovered, let it all happen again and again. To the devil with protecting these pedofiles or turning them loose into society where they can offend again. I actually would like to see those rapists convicted by DNA punished by stripping the skin from the male organ and salt put in the wounds. Those found with child pornography could receive the same treatment.
Penn State should be ashamed, sued and details of their sweeping this under the rug hammered in public news until their enrollment drops and students go elsewhere. I wish other colleges would refuse to participate in any sports, basically picketing the athletic program of Penn State. Extreme some might say but what else is going to change so that priorities are changed …..not only at Penn State but where anyone is putting sexual abuse of a child on the back-burner may reconsider that decision.
Whew. I feel somewhat better. I’m not even going to entertain the thought of these offenders having rights….their victims didn’t.
Morning Snoops.
Hey Newbie – Now please tell us what you really think. LOL
This has been quite a week for sad news hasn’t it? Until we begin begin placing as much value on the rights of victims as we do on those who bring harm to them, I fear that open season on children will continue. I’m normally not one who supports vigilante justice, but I’m beginning to rethink my feelings about that. If these psychos could begin to understand that society is going to treat them with the same level way they treat their victims, they might think twice before killing or molesting children. I definitely agree, they shouldn’t receive special treatment in prison. If they can take advantage of opportunities to harm children, why shouldn’t their fellow inmates be able to take advantage of the same vulnerabilities?
Jorelyn’s murderer and rapist needs to be tortured before he gets the lethal injection. I was listening to Mike Brooks tonight on HLN. When Jorelyn was found her hands and feet were bound and she had duct tape covering her mouth. One of the panelist made a remark and wondered if Jorelyn was still alive when she was out in the trash compactor. Maybe Duct Tape should be taken off the shelves as it is turning out to be a deadly weapon.
Before long the manufacturers will be compelled to add a warning label. This product is not intended for use by parents, pedophiles, sadists, rapists for the purpose of covering the mouths or nose of intended victims. Avoid contact with the human body.
I don’t even want to entertain the thought that that poor baby was still alive when placed in that trash compacter. Why he did to her in the apartment is bad enough, but the thought that she might have experienced additional terror is unthinkable. To have done something so horrific, makes it hard for me to believe that he has never committed any other act of violence…as his family would suggest.
Changing subject, reading at davidlohr.net he reports Josh Powell has asked the courts to remove his sons from their grandparents custody saying the Smiths have a “vendetta” against him and are poisoning his sons minds. Josh wants his sons placed in a nuetral home. What a hoot!
Is Susan ever going to found, jeeze!?
Vicky, vigilante justice, what a concept. At one time I gave this idea thought. I was in favor of the concept originally but backed down because how would a vigilante crew know when to back down, know without a trial if the person was HONESTLY guilty and how would the crew “police” themselves?
Vicky, I was so pro vigilante crews I scared myself. I gave the idea a lot of thought with the idea of actually building a crew of women. It was many years ago and I felt for certain “fence straddling” crimes, vigilante justice could be the solution.
I gave up the idea for two reasons, finding a crew that would keep their mouths shut, for their life time and the problem of knowing for A FACT of a persons guilt. I know, I was a kook.
Hi Everyone! Just popping in before I take a nap. I am exhausted.
Newbie~ I only read back to your post and let me just WOW! IMO that is the very least they deserve. So much has been going on in the world and I am missing it. Thank God for that, it is getting worse out there.
Snoopy I agree, duct tape should come off of the shelf unless you have a license to have it. Seems to me duct tape is no different than a Smith and Wesson. Vicky please tell me about your precious g-baby. I need a good laugh.
Laura~~Newbie would make a great prison warden. Give her a week and the prisons would have to advertise for inmates.
We had a rape and murder of a 20 yr old woman two yrs ago in Dartmouth, NS. The young woman was enticed to an apartment by a guy from her work. The guy’s girlfriend helped him with this sadistic act. The 20 yr old was found in a closet tied to a chair with duct tape covering her eyes mouth and nose. They had left the nostrils bare while she was raped and tortured. They applied more duct tape later to smother her. Yes, duct tape is now considered a lethal weapon. The basta**ds only got 25 years.
The world needs a good cleansing.
The real world is getting as crazy as cyberspace… I rec’d the following email this morning.
Hi Mom,
I woke up to the sound of snow plows this morning. We had our first snowfall but luckily it hasn’t impacted the flights. I’m at the airport waiting to catch my flight to Toronto. There was a lady who missed her flight because she showed up late (not the same flights as me). Anyway she lost her mind and was screaming (not yelling) at the airline agents. She was insisting they turn the flight around (at this point it was taxing out on the runway). She was losing her mind. I thought she was going to have a heart attack. They threatened to call the police on her as she was threatening the ticket agents. Certainly a good dose of drama first thing in the morning. My god!! I shoot you an email later today to let you know how things are progressing. I think my flight from Toronto is due to leave around 7 30 pm tonight. xxxxxxxxx
Sent from Blackberry
Once her plane was out on the runway ready to take off something was malfuncitoning so back to the terminal. Once repairs were made and paperwork filled out they got clearance and off they headed towards Canada… the last message I rec’d was while she was in a taxi in Toronto speeding towards a meeting that she was already late for … Now she had an excuse to scream and holler at the airport but my kid is kool.. like her Mom, not.
Good afternoon or evening all,
I’ve been taking care of things in the real world and didn’t have time to get back to the blog for any amount of time. Probably a good things as cali patti and I could have gotten into “another world”….lol. Good thing she and I weren’t neighbors back when….lol.
I must learn to “refresh” before posting….lol.
Should I even ask how your daughter likes her new residence and how she feels about leaving on a plane they just had to repair???
Newbie~~daughter loves her home and the town she lives in. She has met quite a few of her neighbors and finds them very friendly. She is at Toronto airport ready to take off for Halifax and is on facebook chat with me now.
Newbie~~she just signed off and ready to board her plane. Part of her job is air travel and she is used to flights being delayed due to mechanical problems. Her longest flight was to Shanghai and I don’t think she cared for that one. My first jet flight was to Hawaii and that was not something I would want to do everyday. I enjoyed a trip in a light 4-seater plane more than the jet. In my old age, I like to stay grounded, by choice.
Hey Laura – Nice to see you on the blog again. Hot off the press Alex story here. He was at Game Stop with his mom this afternoon and spotted the DS3. He declared that he was adding it to the top of his list for Santa. She explained to him that he needed to remember that Santa sends a bill to parents for the toys he delivers (I created that story when my children were young to explain why toys were donated for kids at Christmas), and that was a very expensive item. He informed her that he had it on good authority that Santa did not bill for electronics.
A few hours later they were dropping big brother off at a birthday party. Alex informed him that when he turned 14, he was going to steal all of his girlfriends. However, there was no need for Drew to worry about him keeping them too long since he was going to marry Sophie (a girl in his kindergarten class) when he was old enough. But as long as he was single, he wanted to make sure Drew couldn’t get married first….I just love that kid.
Snoops – Enjoy your weekend with family!
The snow missed us here…thank goodness. Hopefully, the weather will remain mild in NS while you have company. Don’t eat too much Chinese.
Thanks, Vicky. Bobbie is staying with her sister tonight and will be here in the morning. We expect rain tomorrow and it is going up to +8C. We do not have a speck of snow here and my lawn is green. We are having Turkey and maybe some Chinese.
Next time I go sleuthing, I need to wear my sunglasses to lessen the shock of what I read. This goes to prove that you should not kiss and tell even on Facebook. Less than one hundred and eighty times, was he bragging or complaining.
Facebook post about sex with minor leads to arrest
“Berry wouldn’t say specifically how many times the couple had sex, but told a deputy it was more than once and less than 180 times.”
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-facebook-sex-post-minor-20111209,0,2884763.story
Thank You GOD!!!! Forgive my impatience..I have just watched a short video of arrest of the coward monster who shot two young girls as they walked down a dirt road near their homes, from OklahomaThis happened a while back and I was afraid they would never get the monster. The short video is on CNN… Oh yes, the big coward monster has recently shot and killed his girlfriend. That Is how he was caught, it was the same gun. Thank GOD another one off the street.
Margaret~~thanks for that information and yes, thank God, another one is off the street. I wish we could round them all up and have a big bonfire.
Here is the link to the girls killed in Oklahoma
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/09/justice/oklahoma-slain-girls/index.html?hpt=ju_c2
Karen Swift of Tennessee… her body was found just 2 miles from her home….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/karen-swift-update-missin_n_1144839.html
Shawn Morgan…the neighbor who killed little Breeann Rodriguez last summer, is scheduled to be arraigned today. I noted that an additional count he is facing is possession of child pornography. So, it seems we have yet another sex offender who murdered his victim. The DA has filed the necessary paperwork to seek the DP in the case. Also, his house was burned to the ground overnight. No body was there.
http://www.dddnews.com/story/1790754.html
http://www.dddnews.com/story/1794483.html
Thanks, Vicky. I had almost forgotten about that SOB. We have so many sex offenders now, it is hard to keep track of them. He deserves the death penalty… too bad he was not in the house when it burned.
He wasn’t in the house, but in the next best place…jail. At least there he can’t victimize other children. I am glad his family wasn’t in the house. I wonder if they moved out completely.
If all goes well, that POS will never breath another breath of air a free “man”. These monsters who continue to bring harm to women and children are really pissing me off! I am darn close to changing my feelings about the DP. Five years ago, nobody could have convinced me that death was a moral response to crime. Now, I’m not so sure.
Update on Shawn Morgan case. Apparently, the home is in foreclosure. For the bank’s sake, I hope there was insurance.
Morgan’s first hearing is set for February to set a trial date, etc. The trial will be in the county where the crime occurred, but a jury will be selected from a different county. Hopefully, they will have more sense than the Penellas 12! I have no doubt they will be. it wouldn’t take much, but I am confident that folks in middle America, have a very strong sense of civic responsibility. If we’re lucky, the SOB will plead guilty once he realizes his behind is toast.
http://www.dddnews.com/story/1794601.html
Bob Ward: Millionaire killer wants out of jail during murder appeal
And so does Drew Peterson…Hope they don’t hold their breath cause I don’t think it’s gonna happen…All I can tell them is people in Hades want ice water…
Estee~ ~Bob Ward gets 30 years. He is going to appeal the sentence and wanted to be released on bond pending the appeal…the judge denied his request.
Bob Ward sentenced to 30 years-Video
Thanks for the Update…Meanwile Drew stews in the stir…Wish justice for Kathleen and Stacy could come as swift as Bob Ward’s conviction…I’m already old and gray just hope I live long enough to see Drew’s conviction….Meanwhile, where is Michelle Parker??? The search goes on…
estee~~I will join you on the old and gray. Dang, there are so many cases pending and it seems forever before they go to trial. The defense lawyers do all his their power to stall things and create delays. Heck, Drew Peterson will probably die of old age before he ever gets found guilty and sentenced. Dave has a good post up re Michelle Parker… Law Enforcement is not giving away very much info so I don’t know how their investigation is proceeding. It will be a month tomorrow, the 17th, since Michelle went missing.
Bob Ward Hospitalized Day After Sentencing
Jail Official: Ward Took More Than Recommend Dose Of Ibuprofen
http://www.wesh.com/news/30020530/detail.html
So I guess everything about Mr. Ward’s overdose is all hush, hush…I’d like to know when he had access to the ibuprofen, especially in a large quantity…Most jail health facilities only dole out one or two at a time..and they watch the inmate take the med…Was he sly enough to conceal the pills so he could take more than necessary??? Did he really need them, to begin with??? Did someone slip them to him??? Just how is he doing now??? I know OD’s of aspirin or acetaminofin can cause organ damage??? How did his kidneys fare??? Amazing what people will do to get out of jail….Guess he hadn’t been playing the right game of Monopoly….
Estee~~I was wondering the same thing. How did Bob Ward get his hands on all those pills? They are not allowed to keep even over the counter meds in their cell. The guards will watch the inmate take the pills and even make sure they swallow them. Some inmates will do anything to get to go to sick bay where they are catered to. Money is not going to buy him out of jail…his wife is dead and the jury handed down their verdict.
Nan……..yooooooo hoooooooooo Happy Holidays to you and your family.
FYI….Dave has a great post up….missing woman in Orlando…he is back on the beat doing some investigating and taking pics…. his blog is where the action is….
Cautious Observations
So good to see his inquiring mind at work again…He posed some good questions too regarding the Hummer…Just love to see you two parlaying banter again…
cali~ ~ the last I heard of Nan11, she was following the Amber Kirwan case. I believe that case has gone as cold as the rest I am trying to follow…it is like beating a dead horse…
It is time to enjoy some Christmas spirit as we await a visit from St Nick.
estee~~I just love visiting Dave’s blog… I made my very first comment on Dave’s WordPress blog on Dec 25, 2008. It was all of two lines…geez now he can’t shut me up…lol
Good Morning there…I just read a note that Bob Ward will be placed on suicide watch when he returns to jail…No big whoop there…The man just can’t stand to have his freedom curtailed…
I figured he’d wait until after his appeal attempts had been exhausted…Oh, well…no Turkey for him!!!
So, you and the Davester have a 3 year anniversary coming up…How great…I can’t remember my first gander or post at his place but do know it was fairly early in the CA fiasco…He certainly has a gift…So where will you guys share your “special time”???
Estee~~Dave and I live about 2000 miles from each other. I can’t fire a spit ball that far. LOL We will just continue to hook horns as per usual. He will be enjoying Christmas dinner with his folks and hopefully, I will indulge in some turkey with my daughter and family.
I know you’re way up north and Dave is down here near me…Just thought you’d find a fantasy virtual meet up place to enjoy…Cheers to you both….That’s me clinking glasses with the two of you….And many more happy years of enjoying you both!!!!
Estee~~thank you so much. Since you live handy to Dave, I wish that I could ship you down a big snow ball to crunch on his head for me. That would be my fantasy. We will all clink our glasses this year. Hugs, Snoop
I enjoyed Nans words even when she was not investigating fore us…thank you for letting me know.
Thanks for the plug, Snoopy! I’ve got another one up my sleeve, but it’s not about Michelle.
Dave~~that is great. We have so many unsolved crimes as we approach the New Year. It is really disheartening that some of these murdered children and women cannot have justice. In so many cases now, the bodies of the victims are never found. The criminals are getting smarter.
Tra ~ La ~ boom ~ dee ~ aye … Dave’s think’g of a way!
Well sort of rymes.
Happy Holidays everyone…
Did anyone here fight the crowds yesterday??? I stayed home and worked on daughters sweater…ate leftover IHOP…drank a gallon of coffee (well, maybe not) and watched lousy TV…
Read blogs, see that Dave was under the weather…Hope he didn’t drink too much “NOG” at his sisters…That stuff is brutal…
I did not shop either. I did in the past but now I have what I need and the boys get what they want each year plus gift cards so the sales dont mean much to me. My oldest is leaving for Guam Jan. 4th for a year so it was fun buying traveling stuff. He hates the flight time but has become sort of use to it.
Happy New Year to all my friends!!!!! I hope 2012 will see all your days filled with Joy, Good health, and all your dreams coming true. I also hope 2012 brings blessings on all the children and they are protected and loved. I pray our hearts are not broken everday with the news of another missing, abused or dead child. God bless you all and thank you for letting be a part of this group……….Snoops a special prayer for you and Dave , My Friends.
What is going on in our society? I think it is Meth laden… I ran across the following at the Orlando Sentinel… if you scroll down on the page, there are videos. One is of the Senator’s tree on fire… I did spend some time watching some of the other ones. Remind me never to move to Florida but I have the feeling it is the same in a lot of other states and here in Canada as well…
Cops: Woman had sex with girl, 7, to prove love for married boyfriend
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/os-woman-arrested-child-sex-20111222,0,4806072.story
Snoopy, Good thing you don’t allow profanity on your blog or you would need to give my response an R rating. There is no defense for this type of conduct. Both individuals need to be locked up, blind folded, with their hands tied behind their backs, with loud nerve grating sound pumped in their cell so they can’t self gratify or concentrate on their sick and twisted fantasies. How anyone can find sexual gratification with a child is beyond my comprehension, and the damage they inflict on their victims is lifelong. The sorry pieces of beetle dung change the brains of these precious children, and no matter how much counseling these children receive, there is no way to completely erase the damage that has been done. Granted, most who receive treatment move past the abuse and have a bright and happy future. However, that does not negate the fact that the abuse has occurred and the child will be forever changed as a human being. I have seen the results of child sexual abuse and exploitation, and will never find room in my heart to forgive those who have acted upon thoughts and impulses well within their control. Every sex offender makes a conscious decision to act. They are perfectly capable of controlling their behavior. The choose not to. They are self absorbed pieces of chit who will make every effort to rationalize and minimize their actions. They do not deserve the air they breath, much less the opportunity to harm another child. Grrrrr!!!
Vicky~~sometimes I wish that I had never bought a computer. Surely to God, these things haven’t been going on for eons. I believe drugs have messed up the minds of these creatures. It is bad enough to think of a man molesting a child, but a woman makes it ten times worse. I hope the bitch rots in hell along with the married pervert. I hope he doesn’t have children of his own.
You know Snoops, in the past I had always hoped that women could be counted on to defend children from child predators. More and more, I have learned that there are actually many who facilitate the abuse. It blows my mind. I have begun to limit my exposue to the news, both online and on TV. It helps me hold on to my belief that society is not getting worse, we just hear more about the bad things that happen. I wish it could all be blamed on drugs, but unfortunately, I don’t think such is the case. Don’t get me wrong, drug abuse is responsible for untold misery, but a far more frightening thought is that many are capable of outrageous behavior without the use of drugs. A major contributor to all forms of abuse is the use of a perfectly legal drug…alcohol. I’ve lost track of the number of times I have heard that a child abuser was under the influence of alcohol when the abuse occurred. Don’t get me wrong, alcohol doesn’t cause abuse, but it most certainly can provide liquid courage. I think the same goes for many other drugs. They make it easier for someone who is predisposed to act on their impulses.
As for people who harm children, even hell is too good for them.
Snoopy, I’m a bit out of sorts today. I’ll update you via email tomorrow. For now, I’m off to bed. V.
Okey Doke, Vicky. In the meantime, get some rest. Hugs…
Snoops, Have you read what Mannie Barling has written about Jeff Ashton? He admits in comments that he wrote that part.I think we can add his name to the Spitz and Ablow list. He is very rude. IMO
Margaret~ ~I never read that. Where did you see it?
[edit] Margaret, I just read at Dave’s and got my answer… I am going to listen to Simon’s blog to see what crap they are spewing…
Barling and Simon Barrett will be on BTR this afternoon-starts at the top of the hour~
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/simon-barrett/2012/01/22/barling-barrett–casey-anthony-civil-problems?utm_source=BTRemail&utm_medium=ShowReminder
I am there now, Sherry ….had a time time finding it
The link didn’t work? Let me know so I don’t use that again-it came from my email reminder.
Sherry~~I just clicked on it and it worked fine. I had to leave…I couldn’t stand any more of Mannie. Who does he think he is… some god and better than anyone else? I used to think he was okay but now he has gotten too big for his britches. Their audience is going to fall off if they continue with that crap. I would rather listen to Cobra than Mannie …and he was bad enough.
I couldn’t agree with you more, Snoopy. He was really pathetic. I’ve clicked unfollow now because that show has gone down the tubes. I’ve listened to other shows they’ve done when there was nothing better to do and they really don’t have that many live listeners. I’ve been the lone one a couple of times since the trial ended.
Snoops I go to Simon Barrett Blogger news network. There is a listing of his articles, I believe the one I am talking about is #3 down. He is an egotist.
Sherry~~Mannie made a sarcastic comment about Zenaida flipping hamburgers. What does Mannie do, go out and stick his tongue out at the garbage men? I do not condone making fun or looking down at people who do not get ahead in life. If I thought I would end up like Mannie, I would settle for flipping the burgers.
Margaret~~thanks for that info. I seldom read at Simons. Today I found Simon more informed than Mannie. I think Mannie should stick to the laws in California. The topic was supposed to be about Casey and the pending civil suits. Mannie talks of income taxes for large corporations . He has got a lot to learn if he wants to keep an audience. He has to speak the same language as his listeners. The first fifteen minutes of the show was Simon trying to force out some stupid joke about a 6 pack and a whore. What a waste of air time.
All I know is that he was full of himself thinking he knew better than Mark NeJame about what Tim Miller is able to go to court for. Then he assumes NeJame is in it for the money, just like Morgan is,)and that’s why no one is being honest with their clients. And I’m still trying to figure out what the gays remark had to do with anything.
Sherry, Mark NeJame is working for Tim pro bono as is John Morgan who is representing Zenaida. Mannie said he has been so busy that he did not have time to read much about the civil suits. It certainly showed. He even asked if Baez was being sued in a civil suit. If Mannie wishes to discuss a case, the least he can do is some homework before he runs off at the mouth. I have no idea why the subject of gays was brought up or what goes on in a persons bedroom. It seems the conversation always makes it way to that topic on the show.
Mark A Wites, of Florida is representing Tim Miller in the civil suit. Mark NeJame worked pro bono for Tim during the criminal trial.
I really resented mannie’s remark in the article about Jeff Ashton only being smart enough to be a law clerk in Ca. I listened to radio show yesterday hoping he would talk about that. I was ready for him.
margaret, who the h-e double hockey sticks does mannie think he is to judge Ashton? He didn’t even get it through his thick skull that JA had nothing to do with the DP being put on the table. In the comment line Mannie said that Ashton could have bowed out when the DP was put on the table but I’d bet dollars to donuts if Mannie was in Ashton’s place he would not bow out. Mannie came off sounding like a jealous lawyer, imo.
Sherry and Margaret~~I noticed that Ann-Tx left a good comment at Simon’s. I hope Mannie read it but I doubt if he is the kind of man who would ever retract some of the things he said. It almost seems that Mannie may be a little envious of those who are doing well. I wonder how much business he really gets??? I did notice Ann-Tx was not at blog radio yesterday. Maybe she is getting like the rest of us and tired of listening to a California know-it-all lawyer.
Ann-Tx emailed me and said she showed up right as we left. She wanted to let me know that she saw us asking for her. She was far from pleased with Mannie’s remarks. She lives in Houston and Tim Miller is often in their local news and she is very much familiar with their organization. Anyways, she agreed that Mannie didn’t know what he was talking about where Zenaida, Tim, and Kronk were concerned.
Evening snoopy. I am beginning to think a black cloud is hanging over friends and family. I received a call late this afternoon that a friend’s daughter and two of her children were killed in a head on collision this afternoon. Her husband and three year old son are in the hospital in Topeka with serious, but not life threatening injuries. This makes the fifth funeral I will be attending in three weeks time. However, this is the hardest one to deal with. Laura was just 37 years old, and her children were 3 and 8. I taught Laura, and her mom taught both of my kids and my oldest grandson.
So sad not to mention depressing.
I’m beginning to lose my sense of humor.
I just got an update and it appears that Jacob and Jeff (husband/father) were not seriously injured.
Vicky~~ there are just no words … I feel so terrible for the husband and child who are left and all of the families who have to mourn this loss. There is one thing for sure, none of us know what tomorrow may bring. Tender hugs, Vicky, tender hugs, my friend…
Jeff is a minister. They just moved back to Kansas where he is the pastor of a Lutheran church in Salina. Laura was a teacher. She had just started teaching preschool there. She taught second grade for several years at the Lutheran school in Topeka. She was a wonderful young woman. She loved teaching and being a mom. They had moved to Texas several years back. Helen and Lynn were thrilled when they made their way back to Kansas.
I feel for the gentleman who crossed the median. I have heard that some type of medical issue caused him to lose control of his car.
I was talking to Steve about the accident. He says that in his opinion, all interstate highways should have cables in the median. The State of Missouri has them and they have saved many lives. I hope some day Kansas will follow suit. The area of I-70 where the accident occurred has no barriers.
Out of curiosity I looked up Mannie Barling. Here is one thing I found:
http://bleacherreport.com/users/397354-mannie-barling
he just rubs me the wrong way~
What pictures was being talked about on BTR? The ones of George. TIA~
Sherry~~I am not sure what pics they were discussing. They must have been posted on some website. George said he always kept the doors to his sheds locked so I don’t know what Cobra was talking about Casey being able to get a shovel out of the shed. She couldn’t if the door was locked. Lazarro broke the lock on one shed to get the gas.
Sherry~~ M also rubs me the wrong way and judging by the comments at BTR, we are not alone.
Thanks, Snoopy. I had seen a website with pictures of George but paid no nevermind to it. Dang if I can remember the site.
I just missed the show so didn’t see the comments being made. Snoopy, I sure wish it were possible for you and Dave to have a BTR show on the cases you two post about. {hint…hint}
Sherry~ ~ if I was on blog radio, my brain would go dead as soon as I opened my mouth. Dave is a natural and he is so full of knowledge. I hate to say this but I found he was being treated very rudely today. He made a mistake of saying Jesse Grund instead of Richard and he was jumped on right away. Mannie comes across as being very insensitive towards others in his profession. They really downed Jeff Ashton today and didn’t care for Dave and most all of us in the comments section sticking up for him. They are putting all the onus on Jeff for the not guilty verdict. They said he was too busy writing a book to pay attention to the trial. They cannot get it through their heads that Linda Drane Burdick was the lead attorney for the state. She asked Jeff if he would join her and Frank George because Jeff excels in forensics. Lawson Lamar was the one who decided if the DP should remain on the table. Huh, Mannie said last week that Jeff should have quit if Lamar never took the DP off.. I am tired of listening to that CA lawyer’s BS..
You know what? I typed out that I thought Dave was treated rudely then I deleted it from my comment before posting. I agree with your assessment. Check out all that Mannie does-he must be a loser, too, using his logic. It wouldn’t bother me a bit if Dave doesn’t go on that show again.
Anyhoo~Dave would need a sleuth like you if he had his own BTR show. And you would keep him in line, too! LOL! G’night, dear ol’ bird!~
Sherry~~ we think alike…. ta dum… I googled Mannie the other night and read a bio that I know he wrote himself… Ahem!
I hope Dave doesn’t go back to the blog radio. Dave has outgrown them and is too classy for those yokels who need to do some research before airing a show… it is like an ad lib circus…
I’m rather pleased to see you ladies saying what I’ve been thinking for a while. Radio really does attract blowhards- hosts, staffers, “guests” and listeners. Unfortunately “good” (successful) radio thrives on hyperbole and bad behavior, and this is nothing new at all, been like this since the 50′s. Internet has drained some of it but with Live Tweets, Chats, etc. the two things often gang up together and egg each other on. With so few oases left on the dial there’s precious little wavelength available for any rational discussion.
I’ve been watching Dr. Drew this evening, with the follow up story about the teens in Upstate New York, sufferigng from “ticks” that some doctors were claiming to be a reactive disorder. Now Erin Brockovitz has become involved. The story is incredible. Some scary stuff going on.
Vicky~~ I have been watching it too and I hope they can find the cause and rectify it. I agree that it is darn scarey.
Vicky~~ so far I have heard that just girls have ticks and twitches. Here is more about the mystery.
N.Y. school to review environmental tests in medical mystery
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/28/health/new-york-students-illness/index.html
There is also one male who has exhibited the same symptoms. I could buy into the reactive disorder theory if ticks was a common manifestation of the disorder, but by what I have read, until now, ticks are not on the list. Also, although these girls attend the same school, they are not all friends. All I know, is I hope they will find answers. I feels so sorry for these kids and their families.
Also, the symptoms of conversion disorder usually subside within a few weeks. it sounds to me like these girls have been suffering for months.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/conversion-disorder/DS00877
Remember Love Canal? The way Lake Erie used to be? Down in the Southern Tier (NY by the PA border- Allegany area) there were chemical plants just run amok- standing water marsh areas with florescent green water, the waste from the plants dumping right into it. My hubby and his little posse would be goofing around the green goo. The whole area now is a cancer hot spot- when I was working there in management about half my staff were either just out of chemo, going in to chemo, lost their husband to Big C, etc., etc. Of course the malefactors are long shut down and disbanded through bankruptcy and new ownership – so who pays for all this carnage? And, do we really want to deregulate these industries again?
I found the pictures! No biggie. I have no idea why it would be anything worth discussing.
http://www.bloggernews.net/127624
Sherry~~I left a couple of comments at that site. Those pics look like the handy work of James Hoover. He carried a camera in his vest pocket and then kept opening his jacket just enough to take the pics… I agree with you… not worth discussing and they are only trying to read things into those pics..
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=363
Well, this is a nice treat:
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2012/01/casey-anthony-civil-trial-to-be-televised/
Oh, and for anyone who can get TruTV (Yuck! What a name…), well, they’ve been doing the Dippolito case- you know, the other Skank in Florida, who tried to arrange to have her dimbulb hubby hit and Surprise, Surprise, there he was at the PD alive and well! The defense? It was all a ruse for reality TV. I kid you not.
Karen C~~oh I remember the Dippolito case. She sloppered and boo hooed when she was informed hubby was dead.
They discontinued our Court tv/ Tru tv here in Canada and we have Investigative Discovery instead. I watched Dr Conrad Murray’s trial on TMZ and Casey’s on the internet at WFTV or CNN live.
I’ll tell you Snoopy, we get subjected to some novel defense tactics but going with Reality TV show setup is a real beaut, especially with NO producer, NO contracts, etc.- there were cameras present but it was a “Cops” ride-along. Not to mention the undercovers involved.
The Prosecution side had dimbulb on for 2 days (the Cross was almost the whole 2 days!) and he’s had all kinds of dirt heaped on him, but he comes across as oddly still cheerful and seems to have won over a lot of viewers. He is just the sort of guy who could be poisoned & setup for drug stings by his would-be widow (he still calls her his wife) and remain completely clueless throughout.
Oh yuck a duck, my machine is in a bad mood.
I’ve heard a little on the children with the ticks and it seems there are good professionals from different perspectives looking into this. I’ve a feeling with ONLY 15 children affected that it may not be enviromental.
The Dippolito case I find hilarious and entertaining. What a hoot! The husband does seem rather depressed by it all. It is difficult to stay on course and turn your life in the right direction. He seemed to be doing that back then and still is. How depressing to have a person you love try to set you up, then steal from you, then try to have you killed.
They have her on so many tapes from the get go she will be found guilty, so for me it is entertainment. Someone above called her a skank
I like that word for certain women. Way to Go!
Yeah, she was cheating on her newlywed Hubby with (at least) two different guys, thought it would be a good idea to see if one of them would do him in for her- True Love, Tru-u-ue Lo-ove…. He’s the one who blew her in to the cops that allowed them to set up the sting.
I just LOVE this defense- it was all for reality TV!
She had put anti-freeze in his Starbucks chai tea, made him sick for days. And she set him up, I guess, TWICE for drug sting operations! He remained totally clueless. She really, really, really wanted that townhouse, but bad.
Ever catch that great flick “the Grifters”? Angelica Huston, Annette Benning and I think John Cusack. Angelica’s character is Cusack’s mom- she tries to seduce her own son into knocking someone off for her, some rich old dude IIRC. You want to take a shower after watching that one. Same with this.
When you think that you have heard it all…
Local Pharmacy Accused Of Distributing To Drug Ring
I hope Roy Kronk wins his case against the National Enquirer…they will probably settle out of court…
http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/documents/Kronk-v-National-Enquirer-0901.pdf
This case is both hilarious and serious….
Transcripts released in case of teen accused of impersonating medical worker
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/transcripts-released-case-teen-accused-impersonati/nHWSr/
Its over, Dalia Dippolito recieved 20 years in Florida. The judge called her pure evil.
Happy to hear there is some justice after all.. Dalia thought she was some smart cookie.. On wftv, in the caca section there is acouple of videos called Shaeffer says. He says Zaniada case will be heard in March and caca will be forced to be there. He said she would have a six member jury. Hope they stay away from the brainless dozen..Shaefferr makes some good points.
This story is just too awesome not to share. Finally, a happy ending. GO STRANGER DANGER!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09/brittney-baxter-escapes-walmart-kidnapping_n_1265080.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl5%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D134156
Vicky~~I watched that played over and over today on HLN. Jane Velez Mitchell had the little girl on her show tonight. Thank God she was taught how to defend herself. It is hard to believe that someone who try to abduct her right in Walmart. Child predators have reached epidemic proportions all over.
Vicky, this was a great story. JVM had her and her mother on tonight. Jvm asked the little girl to scream like she did in wal-mart and bless her heart she tried but couldn’t. She told Jvm that she was shy. She was a cutie pie The best part of the story is they already have the guy. He was on probation so hopefully he will be behind bars for a long time.
I couldn’t believe how brazen that man was! I guess he thought the customers would think she was a child throwing a temper tantrum in the store. Thank God she got away from him. I hope Jo doesn’t hear about this. She is so paranoid, she might not let little man accompany her to the Mart for the next five years. LOL.
Seriously, it is terrifying to think that these predators will snatch up a child just feet away from the parent. Tomorrow afternoon, Alex gets a course in Stranger Danger 101. I’ll have to find a volunteer besides me to be the pretend bad guy. After all, the child needs to practice and grandma bruises too easy.
Here is a good one too…. what a great 911 call….
http://www.wesh.com/news/30421358/detail.html
So funny!!!!!!! My granson was always ” butt dialing ” me until I made him take his phone out of his back pocket. They probably shouldn’t have told her about the 911 secret. She will make sure it is turned off next time… I made my ganddaughter watch the wal-mart incident, because she gets mad at me for not letting her go on her own in the stores.
Margaret~~I guess we could say that was a ‘bum’ call to 911. LOL A very wise move on your part for making your granddaughter watch the walmart incident… it is a scarey world out there.
So a certain bird that is a blog owner has a birthday this week…hmmm
better not delete this I’ll come back and rewrite it….
Yes, Cali, it is that silly Pink Flamingo that has that crazy blog that no one comments on.
Hey, Guys. My lil’ sister has been given a bad diagnosis, down Dave’s way. I guess they have really good hospitals there, still…. if you’ve been wondering why I’ve been shutting up the last couple days, that’s what’s up.
Karen C~~I am so sorry to hear about your sister. I will say a special prayer for her that things will go well for whatever she is facing. If you ever need someone to talk to, I am here or via email. Hugs!
A Very happy Birthday to You Snoopyslueth, Mainstreamfair and my Favoride Bird.!
You have been a surprisingly wonderful friend. It has been my good fortune to have found you.
Have a wonderful bithday,
XXOO patti
Cali Patti~~ahhh thank you honey! You have been a very thoughtful and wonderful friend to me too. ((hugs)) xo
Karen C., you have my prayers for your sister.
Happy Birthday, Snoopysleuth!
…and many more…!~
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, my friend!
Thanks Sherry and Vicky! I had a wonderful day and feel so fullish….the homemade birthday cake was to die for and if I do not go on a diet tomorrow that may come true.
If Today is Your Birthday
Forecast for 2012-2013
Born February 20 – Your Year Ahead
You are very sensitive and imaginative this year. Creativity is likely to be at a peak. You are especially “tuned in” to current trends and your ability to embrace the new while honoring the tried and true can be a significant key to your success this year. Your desires are evolving, and you may be changing directions in your career or with regards to your goals… more
If You Were Born Today, February 20
You possess poise and grace and while you may come across as very patient and calm, you can be impulsive and restless. Sensitive and concerned, partnerships mean a lot to you. You are always aware of others and their needs, and this is factored into your own decisions. You thoroughly enjoy being there for someone you love. Creative and intuitive, you are able to make something of your talents, but were not meant to focus on only one or two paths. As much as you crave security, you also need movement and small changes to keep you inspired. Famous people born today: Kurt Cobain, Cindy Crawford, Buffy Saint Marie, Gloria Vanderbilt, Sidney Poitier, Rihanna, Patty Hearst, Kelsey Grammer, Ivana Trump.
Hope you had a wonderful birthday Snoopy! Many happy returns!
Red~~OMG, I don’t know if I can live up to all that horoscope. LOL My desires are evolving towards another piece of birthday cake.
I know that I am restless and have to keep doing something, even if it is playing Diamond Dash and irritating my carpal tunnell. I am really mean and ugly with a short fuse. I know damn well that Mom found me under a cabbage leaf and just made up the date of my birth.
Thanks for posting that, Red and for the birthday wishes. You are a sweetheart!
It’s nice to “know” you guys, and a lot of fun, too, actually. And, Happy Birthday, again, Snoop! Better than the alternatives!
Karen C~~ when I was born, calendars had not been invented. I got a card in the mail today with a pic of a nice looking girl writing a bike and looks like something from the 1940′s. The caption read, “You know you are getting old when your undies start slipping up.”
Hi Snoopy
A belated happy birthday.
Our favorite child murdering felon has just officially lost one of her counsel. See
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-jose-baez-withdraws-casey-anthony-20120221,0,4739013.story
Do not worry about him being bored and lonely. He is probably in Atlanta right now where he will be addressing the American Academy of Forensic Sciences Annual Meeting.
Our buddy Jeff Ashton is keeping busy too. After defending his son in a dui case last week he now has to defend his daughter for driving without a license. I have no problem with any of this. I would still vote for Jeff if I lived in Florida. These children are responsible for their own choices good or bad, and if they were my children, I would defend them too even if I didn’t think they had made the most optimum choices. They need to learn from their mistakes and a trial will do this for moderately good children. (I definitely am not stating any belief that our favorite felon learned anything from her trial other than the importance of keeping track of intertwining elements when constructing lies, but primarily good people can learn from their mistakes when facing a judge.) . Also, these days you can consider yourself a total success as a parent if your children have never taken a hatchet to their offspring before blowing them up in a house fire and if your children never use duct tape as a means of restraining your grandchildren. The standards are a bit different than they were in our day but we are antiques and outdated.
I like Jeff Ashton. I read his book and came out with a much lower opinion of Felon Anthony than before I read it. Before I read the book, I was willing to assume that Caylee’s death was accidental and possibly the result of the felon’s lack of good parenting skills and ignorance of the possible harm duct tape could do to the child’s breathing apparatus. Afterwards, I thought that Caylee’s death was probably deliberate. (If I had been on the jury I would have voted to convict her of child abuse and probably manslaughter of some type based on what was before the jury.) We had more evidence before us than the jury ever had and Jeff’s book had even more than we had.
Amber~~thank you for the belated birthday wishes. I will go to Orlando Sentinel to look for the updates. I cannot get your link to work.
Cheney Mason said that José Baez resigned from Casey’s counsel when the trial was over. I have a post set up about Jeff Ashton.
Now it is official that Baez is gone from Casey’s counsel. Let’s see if this link will work…
I got your link working now Amber….thanks for the heads up re Baez….
Hi Snoops, I know it’s a little late for coffee, but I wanted to stop by and say hello. I’ve been reading your blog…lots to catch up on! I need to get out more!
I see where Vicky’s son spent a grand on a big-eared cat. Now if only the cat can talk and let us know what the mice are saying
What a pleasant surprise!! Sister!!! I have some lukewarm Red Rose in the pot. Vicky makes the coffee but hasn’t shown up yet. The last I heard, she was looking around to try and find a hearing aid for the big-eared one. She is too embarassed to tell everyone that the cat came drumless…eardrums that is… It’s ears was so big, the drums fell up when it was in puberty. You might have guessed it is a Tom cat. Her son would have been better off to get a Dick or Harry one.
Why do you bring the best out in me, Sis?
Wow, Sister Blister is here. I went looking for your blog a few months ago, I sincerely miss your writings. Hey Snoop, you have charming friends.
Hi Cali, I’ve been extremely lazy since I made all of those New Year’s resolutions. Just writing out the list wore me out. I need to double up on my Geritol and get back to blogging. It’s good to see you!
Snoopy, I wonder if Mr. Big-Ears is a new designer cat breed? Or do you suppose…someone glued a tail on the Easter bunny? Meow!
Sister~ ~ I think Vicky’s son needs to check the litter box. Do Bunnies dig little holes for a poopy?
Snoops, Vicky will have a kitten when she sees what I’ve written! This old girl needs to turn in for some beauty sleep. If you see Vicky, let her know I’m thinking of her. It has been good visiting with you and Cali. I hope to see you again soon!
Sister~~nitey nite…. you always know how to bring a smile to my face so I will look forward to your next visit. xo
I see how you ladies are! There I was doing my very best to remain off topic, by sharing a bit of meaningless information, and you respond by making fun of a poor, not so little kitten, with not so little ears. By the way, she behaves much more like a dog (she loves to take a bath, can open drawers, and goes for walks on her leash) than a rabbit, and at 5 months, she can jump from the floor to a five foot fire place mantel. I bet no bunny rabbit can do that. And apparently, she can hear them mice, she has located two to date and no additional sightings since she began patrolling the home front. Best of all, she adores my grand daughter and follows her everywhere.
You should see the look on the neighbor’s faces when we take her for a walk on her leash. She is definitely a strange looking cat, and you don’t see too many people out walking their cats in Kansas. I must admit, however, I still think a free barn cat could have done the job of keeping mice at bay.
By the way sister, you really should drop by more often.
Here kitty kitty kitty…
Now tell me that isn’t one big eared kitten. lOL
Good Lord, someone needs to feed that cat.
Sister – that or release a few mice in it’s house. Jade (my son’ Savannah), has a bit more meat on her bones. Snoopy must have looked hard to find a starving, big eared kitten. LOL
So, how’s life been treating you?
Hi Vicky! I’ve been doing well…just lazy! I’ve got to get back in the swing of things. I hope you’re doing well!
I’m doing just peachy. I am swearing off discussing anything negative here on Snoopy’s blog for a few days. I had myself imagining various way of torturing abusive parents by the end of last weekend ( not good for the psyche). Then I found myself having to come to the defense of a poor little kitty being compared to a rabbit.
Rabbits are cute too! Especially one’s with long tails. Snoops, I love the kitty massage! I’m totally jealous!
Snoopy! That made me day. I can’t stop laughing!!!
Vicky, I know what you mean about the negative discussions. I find it difficult to get into that mind set.
My dog and cat are lesbian life partners. I’m not sure if the dog thinks she is a cat, or the cat thinks she is a dog, or they just don’t care. I have some hilarious photos and videos.
Ahhhhh, animals are so sweet and have no inhibitions.
Okay, I have to leave you night owls. I’ve become an early to bed to get the worm person. Hard to believe but I don’t have the stamina I used to have. I’ll be back to visit soon
I have a really funny “little buddy” story to share. Newbie will love it. On our way home from school yesterday, we were discussing the State of Kansas. I asked him if he knew the state song…he did. I asked him if he knew the state motto…surprisingly, he did, I asked if he knew the state flower…he did. Finally, I asked if he knew the state bird. He answered with complete confidence…the Jayhawk…and refused to take me word that that was incorrect.
Good night sister. Nice to hear from you. I’m headed that way myself. I have to be at a meeting in Kansas city at 7:00 in the morning.
Hi ladies and nite nite, Sister. I have been playing Words with friends on facebook with my daughter. She just visited in here to see the doggy massage.
Nitey nite, Vicky…
Vickie, how could you tell that poor child he was wrong??? I’m sure the Jayhawks are the state bird…lol.
That is a good one.
Newbie~~ all I can picture is a little Jayhawker being hit by a car near an intersection. LOL
I hope this works…. 4 year old Hunter Hayes and Jambalaya..
http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=2763
Wow! Great video. Talented child besides being a cutie. Can you imagine being that young and playing in front of that many people. Good find Snoops.
Newbie~~isn’t he a heart throb? My gosh, those button accordians are not easy to play and his rhythm was perfect and he’s a great little singer too….so natural. Kids are so amazing. My neighbor sent that to me via email. I posted it on Facebook as well.
He is the real deal and soooo young.
Key West man accused of sitting on his cockatoo
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/key-west-man-accused-of-sitting-on-his-2222331.html?cxtype=rss_news
There has to be something in the water in Florida…. everyday there is another story of abuse… The children are now in the care of the grandparents. My question, how come the g/parents did not know of this 12 yr old’s condition?
Couple arrested after starving 40-pound 12-year-old found locked in bathroom
I read about that, Snoopy. It also seems thar CPS once again dropped the ball. I think it should be mandatory for all children who are home schooled to be visited by someone from thaw state on at least a quarterly basis. Especially, if the child is pulled out of school following allegations of neglect or abuse.
Vicky~~I don’t feel good about the g/parents getting custody of those children. It is just a gut feeling. I think home schooling should be abolished and that way the children would have someone look out for their welfare even if it were a teacher.
Snoopy, I agree, excepts as of late, it seems some children are at risk at school as well. It really makes me angry to think that some of the people who are supposed to be a child’s last line of defense, have failed to intervene on their behalf.
As I listen to all of our politicians vying for election, I have yet to hear mention of ever-growing issues of child abuse and neglect as a priority for a single one of them. Then again, protecting children costs money and all they are worried about is declaring how they can save money. I won’t express my further thoughts as I might offend other’s.
Just popping in to say HI! I hope you all are well. I will check back in tomorrow when hopefully you all will be around. I am off to bed.
So good to “see” you, laurali! God bless, precious~
The earth started to tremble and the moon shone brighter as the stars began to twinkle. I thought it was the end of the world until I found out it was…..
Laura!!!!!!!
Welcome back Laura. Don’t be a stranger.
Hi snoopy, We went to New Orleans for a few days to visit the SIL
Today I went and bought a new car. I am donating my old one to the oldest grandson. Although not his dream car, it was in his price range.
I now own a Ford Fusion Hybrid. I figure as few miles as I put on a car, I will be able to make 700 miles on a tank of gas.
I haven’t had a chance to ask my friend about jury duty, but Steve says he was told it was pretty much a no brainer, but extremely stressful. When I get a chance to get details, I’ll let you know.
Vicky~~so now you are driving in style… woot woot… It will be nice to hear from your friend re the deliberations and what they discussed also if they took a vote right away and what was the result. I can imagine guilty. The penalty phase must have been stressful.
We have a faithful contributor to this blog. Her young sister has been diagnosed with lung cancer and has set up a blog describing her treatments. Would you be so kind to check out the following and lend your support as she faces her battle? Words of encouragement and prayers can do wonders. Thanks Snoop…. blog link below.
http://krisg.blog.com/
http://www.kpho.com/category/224303/kphocom-local-live-streaming ………………………Baby Gabriel live coverage
Margaret~~please forgive me. I don’t know how I missed seeing your comment. I am not too familar with the Baby Gabriel case but hear bits and pieces about it on CNN prime. Thank you so much for posting that link. I can’t seem to keep up with all the cases….there are just so many.
So many dang cases, so few hours to follow ‘em all. I mean, where IS Baby Lisa? As for this one, boy, these obsessive and disturbed folks somehow find each other.
Okay, dearheart! Don’t question why I am up this late! I just found something in my mess of garden notes I thought you should know. In having a worm farm, one should add pulverized eggshells occassionally for calcium and grit. Aw, I remember you said you don’t add eggshells to your garden because of the worms. You, tenderheart, you, you don’t want to hurt them with such sharp stuff! Caring for a worm’s welfare! lol! Well, they need their calcium and grit. How does one pulverize an eggshell? Now that is a poser for you to sleuth out. If I find out how you know I’ll surely let ya know!~ muah!
Sherry~~lol I guess you will be busy pulverizing egg shells all summer…happy stomping in a big pair of army books…you can make the shells into powder that way.. I love my worms!!
I love my worms, too. I was cleaning out my gardening notebook and found that article from way when on worm farming. Evidently, I must have wanted to do that if I saved the article. Prior to finding that tidbit I saw in one of my Make Money at Home books about making extra cash through worm farming. Must be something to that, like, am I supposed to be a worm farmer?
Sadly, I must sacrifice some big juicy ones because I need to lure a garden snake out of the ductwork of our home. He likes to tease our cats by poking his head through the register and sticking his tongue out at them. I named him Teezer. I’m surprised he hasn’t dried up from the heat blowing through.
I’ve mentioned that I have discovered how much I enjoy my trails on the old Fort Ord lands, well they were just declared a National Monument. Wheeeee! There is a company on the Peninsula that rents electric made for the trail chairs, tough chairs. So Girl if you ever come this way I will ask you to join me & off to the mountain top we would go.
As I mentioned prior Im trying to do self protection by not getting to involved in cases. I dont know if its working but I have to try everything I can to lift myself up. With that said I have followed the baby Gabrial case (a little) and its list of characters, what a mess. That Mommy admits to killing her son and putting him in a dumpster, which she now recants. Humph…
Snoopy & Ladies hello & take care!
p.s. No comment about worms, I have literally a 100 gophers. I have to dig huge holes for small trees line in triple chicken wire, broken glass ( I think gophers eat glass as vitamins) then more wire before doing any plantings. Then only half of my trees live. Gimme the good old healthy worms. I think my worms get eaten by moles. Yes I have two moles. I have used traps, gas bombs, smoke bombs, even hooked a tractor up and piped in exhast fumes. My animals thrive. I almost … not quite, have considered adopting them.
Cali Patti~ ~ are there any mountain lions in them thar mountains? I know how much you love nature and am glad you are getting to enjoy it. I miss gardening but old Arthur put the kabosh on my favorite passtime.
I don’t know what to do with all your gophers but moles just love gum… put a few pieces of gum in the mole holes.. let me know if they disappear.
Snoops, I thought you might like this post~
http://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2012/04/29/drew-peterson-trial-and-hearsay-evidence-what-you-need-to-know/
Sherry~~thank you. I will read that later this evening. I wish you would change your mind about commenting at SS…. I hope you have been reading along… Shoot me off an email anytime, okay?
You’ve got mail!~
Sherry… response en route…
Snoopy, Just to let you know, I had to reply using a different email account as my main one was giving me grief. Just in case it ends up in your spam, lol!
Sherry~~I got one email re SS and responded and have not rec’d any more… nothing in spam…
Hmm…it said it was sent. I’m poohed so I will respond to your email tomorrow! Hugs!
Ha! I tried to call it a night…anyhoo, I resent the email. “night!~
…re-sent, not resent…
Sherry…. maybe it will show up tomorrow… just checked and nothing so now I am off to bed..nitey nite
Snoopy, good job at Dave’s keeping things accountable. So much other stuff is out there about the Martin murder case that we need to keep it authentic where “facts” are coming from.
<3
Sherry~~ I don’t know what is the truth or fiction any more with all the scam artists. They start picking a jury on Monday for Steven Powell… I wonder if the trial will be televised… It would be a nice change… I want to see some documents in the Zimmerman case… all this speculating is repetitive and boring..
all this speculating is repetitive and boring..
and getting to be so one-sided that the truth will either not be belived or put asunder altogether!
God bless you for your objectivity despite what gets hurled at you! I have learned that you were a fantastic dodgeball player since childhood!
Sherry~~if things get too heated, I always have my little army of dung beetles. They all got indigestion from eating the babs. You have to remember that I hosted a forum for folks with mental issues…bi polars…etc … throw in a few alcoholics who used to stay up half the night commenting at the forum…one woman even used to excuse herself to use the potty… I have been known to get on people’s nerves with my psychology, wit and wisdom. I just left a comment at Dave’s… lol
Yeah, I read it-where’s the “thumbs up” icon to click when ya need it? I’d have pressed it umpteen times…lol!
Uh, are you sure those dung beetles are loyal to you still? I hope so…
Sherry~~there is enough chit floating around to keep them well fed. lol I am going to post one more little comment at Dave’s …. I wish he would ban me…
Hahaha! I hope he doesn’t! You are the only reason I’m reading the comment line! A few of them I have to bypass for the sake of my eye health-its hard on the eyes when you find you keep rolling them…
Going way back ~ yes there are mountain lions, seen a few wolfs and coyotes. Weasles that attack chickens and dig under coop fences. Also blessed with an amazing variety of birds. I have two nesting pairs of the small eagles right now. It is fantastic to watch their youngs first flights and the protective nature of the parents. However I do not like ground sguirrels or gophers or moles. I would poisen them all, yes I would, if the other animals did not use them for food.
Snoopy~ I am so confused! Read at Dave’s and I think maybe someone misunderstood why you asked another to reply. I do not listen to hip-hop or rap whatever kind of music…. I skipped over that comment and I do like reading everyone’s thoughts but that one I had no way of knowing how I would be able to respond. So I just moved on.
Now I feel old. I should blame her husband because my sweet daughter would never do this to me!!! I think I will have her (I hope it’s a girl) call me Aunt G. LOL. The G of course is short for Grandma but as far as baby needs to know I am Aunt G.
It would be nice to see some documents. I just wish SPD would have done a thorough investigation to begin with. Trayvon deserved that much and so did Zimmerman.
This comment has to do with worms. WOW they give me the creeps. Michelle use to chase Meg and me with them. Last week I had work to do in the garden and I threw a big fat worm on Michelle, let’s just say she screamed loud enough if anyone had been around they would have thought I was killing her. Michelle has always tossed her egg shells into the flower beds and I have not noticed any worm parts laying around. Do I need to have her smash them up? The egg shells not the worms.
One more thing and then off to bed I go. Meg is making me a grandma.
Congratulations on becoming a GRANDMA, Laurali!
Congrats to Meg and her husband, too.
Sherry~ It is AUNT G! Grandma makes me sound old. I am still 30, yes after ALL these years. Thank you. I have been meaning to tell you all for the last couple of weeks but I am still trying to catch up on life.
Laura~~how come I didn’t get an invite to the wedding? Oh Granny, grandma, nannie, nan, lol
Meg opted to have a destination wedding. I did not get to go because at the time I could not travel. Michelle went and and streamed it live for me. A Valentine’s Day wedding in Hawaii. They had planned a summer wedding but all their friends were having babies and she decided to get married, get pregnant, have her baby over winter break and finish last semester of school. My plan did not work out, get married, graduate school and in 15 more years have a baby, lol. 2nd week of April she told me she is pregnant. Due 12/15 Meg and her husband both have December birthdays.